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**Horrido!** · 06-07-2008, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Clausewitz View Post

Please close this embarrassing thread. We spent 19 sites in MFF to tell him this is no WW2 Leibertarn - without success.

The guy spent 2.200 € for a post war czech blouse but for him it´s an original SS camo blouse, so he should be lucky with it. It´s a waste of time to talk with him.

Haha......I feel a bit dumber for having entertained this topic.

I guess I just can't resist a good internet argument.....where the men are separated from the boys

**Gary Wood** · 06-07-2008, 02:56 PM

Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post

Aha...

So i'm looking foreward for some arguments by Gary about how the Leiber-
musterversions have to look like in original, that the czechs had copied...!

I think he don't know nothing about it..., an if i had some problems with SS-
stuff, i would call the man, from whom my friend bought this jacket.

Maybe Gary knows something about something..., but he knows nothing
about Ravensbrück, Czech Leibermuster or prototypes of late SS-clothing.

If he do know..., i wish to hear some facts about it.

Ha! you really are a funny Guy anyway;

I know enough to call it what it is POST WAR, that's it, nothing more than that, no fancy stories Just post war

I find it funny and weak you counter opposing opinions with calls for Facts and the opposer does not know what he is talking about.

Yet you mention no fact's yourself only hot air, which is what you believe which is fine.

You can Believe what you want but that does not mean its true as your beliefs are not supported by evidence, in fact you could not even tell the difference between the camouflage patterns you presented at the start of this thread or the time frame so you will have to excuse me from taking you seriously.

So my suggestion/advise to you is to do a lot more research before you even contemplate buying anything SS this will save you heartache and money and stop you getting burnt.

And i must thank all the members who have replied here for there patience with this new member

**Massimo F.** · 06-07-2008, 02:58 PM

still with this checz camo issue??? Gentlemen he had been provided all the possible evidences that this damn jacket is a repro. End of the story.

I'm now suspecting he's actually the dealer selling this jacket looking for approval but since he had no luck he invented all this "friend who bought it" fable...

**charlemagneXX** · 06-07-2008, 03:32 PM

Sorry boyz,

it's not post war czech.

It has not the 3 colour backside..., it's 4-coloured..., black, darkgreen, bright-
green, pink.

The pattern is very different in detail, as you can see in my first post..., it has
a white band around the black sections.

**Peppe864** · 06-07-2008, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post

Sorry boyz,

it's not post war czech.

It has not the 3 colour backside..., it's 4-coloured..., black, darkgreen, bright-
green, pink.

The pattern is very different in detail, as you can see in my first post..., it has
a white band around the black sections.

People in this thread and on this forum has been nice to you, they have not attacked you personally,they have tolerated your jibberish and they have given their opinions about this jacket, when you have asked for opinions. But then you start badmouthing a moderator and fellow collector...................

I just want to check, are you insane? Have you taken your daily meds? Shall I call the men in white robes?

**charlemagneXX** · 06-07-2008, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Peppe864 View Post

People in this thread and on this forum has been nice to you, they have not attacked you personally...

Yeah!? I think you read an other thread!

I just want to check, are you insane? Have you taken your daily meds? Shall I call the men in white robes?

Again not personally attacked...

And again no answer or argument to my last post!

**Clausewitz** · 06-07-2008, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post

Yeah!? I think you read an other thread!

Again not personally attacked...

And again no answer or argument to my last post!

Tacker dir doch das Ding ans Köpfchen und verschone die Leute hier und im MFF einfach. Wie im MFF möchte auch hier keiner mehr mit dir über das Teil diskutieren, da du es schlicht und einfach nicht schnallst!

Das Ding ist Rotz und bleibt es auch, auch wenn du noch 100x über das hinweg siehst was dir gesagt wird und du noch 100x mit weißen Rändern um die Tränen kommst.

Sorry but perhaps he understands that better than English...

**charlemagneXX** · 06-07-2008, 03:56 PM

Gary, i'm still waiting for some answers:

1. Do you know, how the original look like, that the czechs copied post-war?

2. Why is my friends jacket not 3-coloured on the backside like the czechs?

3. Why is the pattern different in colour and details (white band)?

4. Why is the shape and style of the jacket not matching anything czech?

5. Why has this jacket hand-sewn buttonholes and detailes?

6. Why is the jacket 100% absorbing UV- and IR-light, unlike the czech-cloth?

7. Why has this jacket perfect fitting pockets for german Fallschirmjägerknife?

Thank you.

**Gary Wood** · 06-07-2008, 04:00 PM

Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post

Gary, i'm still waiting for some answers:

Don't hold your breath

I have given you my opinion above, as i said you are a funny guy!

You present some FACTS

**besslein** · 06-07-2008, 04:02 PM

I wonder why this clown is not suspended now

**Horrido!** · 06-07-2008, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post

Gary, i'm still waiting for some answers:

1. Do you know, how the original look like, that the czechs copied post-war?

2. Why is my friends jacket not 3-coloured on the backside like the chzechs?

3. Why is the pattern different in colour and details (white band)?

4. Why is the shape and style of the jacket not matching anything czech?

5. Why has this jacket hand-sewn buttonholes and detailes?

6. Why is the jacket 100% absorbing UV- and IR-light, unlike the czech-cloth?

7. Why has this jacket perfect fitting pockets for german Fallschirmjägerknife?

Thank you.

Because it was made post-war to trick a person like you, with too much money and not enough brains, out of a lot of money for a piece of crap that he has to try to defend against the valid opinions of some of the most knowledgeable SS camouflage collectors in the hobby. But of course you, the master of social skills, are and will always be right. Everyone here is very sorry for telling you otherwise.

**Horrido!** · 06-07-2008, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by besslein View Post

I wonder why this clown is not suspended now

He's not suspended because this is a fair forum. He's just a jackass, that's all.

**madandi** · 06-07-2008, 04:06 PM

And where is the foto of the inside of the jacket.
I have asked for this foto in MFF an there was nothing.
Show us all, that the inside of your tunic is nat the inside of a czech-camo.

**panzerwerk** · 06-07-2008, 04:11 PM

As a collector of cold war camo unis , this kills me someone wasted a great Czech item to make this thing , i have matched the pattern directly to another Czech item , BTW not all Czech camo was printed to be reversible , and it looks quite faded , the white rings could be a simple screen/roller slip, or a early rare version ,another reason it kills me someone cut an original to make this thing , too bad.
i have a nice small collection of early Czech camo , and the colors differ greatly like almost all camo ,even in the same pattern.

**charlemagneXX** · 06-07-2008, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by madandi View Post

And where is the foto of the inside of the jacket.
I have asked for this foto in MFF an there was nothing.
Show us all, that the inside of your tunic is nat the inside of a czech-camo.

The MMF-Threads were closed right before he wanted to post detailes.

It's not my jacket, i made no pictures yesterday.

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