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    #16
    Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post
    It was offered by a known german Militaria-dealer
    Is possible to know his name?
    Luca
    Siam fatti cosi!

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      #17
      Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post
      Never ever.



      No, it's not even similar.
      Lets keep focus on the jacket that started this thread, which is a fake.

      Peter

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        #18
        Originally posted by Peter Wiking View Post
        Lets keep focus on the jacket that started this thread, which is a fake.
        Because you want it this way...?

        Try some better arguments.

        Three long-time collectors of SS-camouflage-items, inspected this jacket...,
        all are convinced that this jacket ist authentic 100%.

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          #19
          Originally posted by Peter Wiking View Post
          Lets keep focus on the jacket that started this thread, which is a fake.

          Peter
          Peter,
          it won't make much sense to talk to him as he lacks the most basic knowledge on the matter. It's obvious that he doesn't know the differences between the patterns and items.

          I just took a shot of my "Waffen SS im Westen" book,
          what he has labeled as "Charlemagne" is a shot from the campaign in the west which shows SS-VT troops.

          Cheers

          Fritz
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            #20
            Originally posted by Luca Ongaro View Post
            Is possible to know his name?
            Luca
            It's still shown in the shop..., it was sold last week:

            http://www.spree-militaria.de/shop/p...re00ugemi5se96

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              #21
              Originally posted by Fritz View Post
              Peter,
              it won't make much sense to talk to him as he lacks the most basic knowledge on the matter. It's obvious that he doesn't know the differences between the patterns and items.
              Yeah..., thanx for the better quality..., but it is not "camouflage smock".

              Explain the Skanderberg-photo.

              Explain the POW-photo.

              You said let's talk on the jacket itself..., make proof it's a fake...

              And you don't even know why the czech pattern is called Leibermuster btw.

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                #22
                Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post
                Yeah..., thanx for the better quality..., but it is not "camouflage smock".

                Explain the Skanderberg-photo.

                Explain the POW-photo.

                You said let's talk on the jacket itself..., make proof it's a fake...

                I refuse to talk to you, you are ignorant.


                Happy collecting.


                Cheerio

                Fritz

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                  #23
                  the price alone of 2200 euros for a "mint" jacket in the Leibermuster pattern should be the first give away clue that something isn't right... so why we see 7000+ euros prices for "more common" patterns smocks????..... 2200 euros wouldn't be enough to buy a Leibermuster jacket even if it was shredded and eaten by rats....

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by Krieg777 View Post
                    the price alone of 2200 euros for a "mint" jacket in the Leibermuster pattern should be the first give away clue that something isn't right... so why we see 7000+ euros prices for "more common" patterns smocks????..... 2200 euros wouldn't be enough to buy a Leibermuster jacket even if it was shredded and eaten by rats....
                    1. He get this jacket long time ago for little money.

                    2. He is not collecting camouflages of SS.

                    3. Most people did not know what kind of jacket this is.

                    4. He was tired after 20 years explaining a unique piece like this.

                    5. 2200 EUR is in Germany a mid price for a Erbsentarn or smock-jacket.

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                      #25
                      Mr. CharlemagneXX.
                      As stated by Fritz and others, Im sorry to say that the jacket is a fake. The "Leibermuster" pattern is wrong, the colours are wrong, the construction is wrong. If you are not interrested in listening to opinions from members of the forum, at least, read and study reference books like Beavers.

                      Best regards, Tom

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post
                        1. He get this jacket long time ago for little money.

                        2. He is not collecting camouflages of SS.

                        3. Most people did not know what kind of jacket this is.

                        4. He was tired after 20 years explaining a unique piece like this.

                        5. 2200 EUR is in Germany a mid price for a Erbsentarn or smock-jacket.
                        happy collecting!

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Palmenmuster View Post
                          Mr. CharlemagneXX.
                          As stated by Fritz and others, Im sorry to say that the jacket is a fake. The "Leibermuster" pattern is wrong, the colours are wrong, the construction is wrong. If you are not interrested in listening to opinions from members of the forum, at least, read and study reference books like Beavers.

                          Best regards, Tom
                          It seems that you know only one Leibermuster...

                          Wy "wrong", what is the "right" one, which the CSSR-pattern is modified from?

                          You don't know it, right??

                          How can you tell "fake"?? You not even know the original of this Leibermuster.

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by charlemagneXX View Post
                            You said let's talk on the jacket itself..., make proof it's a fake... btw.
                            Dear charlemagneXX
                            Please read Camouflage Uniforms of the Waffen-SS by Michael D. Beaver. An entire chapter is included there on the Leibermuster. The book display photographs of original Leibermuster samples from a US Army report (Richardson report). The pattern on your jacket is wrong! Not a little wrong. Completely wrong!

                            As a German you should know the terrible state your contry was in late 1944 and through 1945. It was not possible for several reasons to manufacture a uniform as you show and manufacturing had to be drasticly simplified. Less stitching, cheap buttons, low quality cloth etc.

                            Peter

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                              #29
                              Charlemagne XX

                              check this thread and you'll see pictures of a real worn Leibermuster jacket, compare the pattern and construction.
                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=20408

                              hope it would be of any help.

                              regards

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by Krieg777 View Post
                                Charlemagne XX

                                check this thread and you'll see pictures of a real worn Leibermuster jacket, compare the pattern and construction.
                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=20408

                                hope it would be of any help.

                                regards
                                There was no ONE Leibermuster.

                                Again:

                                Do you know were the name "Leibermuster" of the CSSR-pattern came from?

                                No??

                                It was slightly modified from an SS-prototype-series.

                                If you don't know anything about this original (obviously)..., how can you say
                                anything about a fake???

                                If you don't know anything about this Leibermuster..., don't talk about it!!

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