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    #16
    Hat ....Billbert

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      #17
      The visor. I also get a kick out of unissued items thinking "Wow, this must of what the visor of General so-in-so look like the day he brought it home from the maker. Probably looks like it would've during period use."

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        #18
        Easy one for me! I´ve had both and I´m happy without them, so I would save my money and buy something else!

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          #19
          Originally posted by Ludwig View Post
          so I would save my money and buy something else!
          Pfffft, like what? a car, boat, house... come on that stuff can't compete with a nice SS visor!

          I am assuming by your post you are no longer a collector?

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            #20
            I don´t know where you can get a car, boat or a house for USD 5000, but certainly not here!
            No, I would buy something nice from the Kriegsmarine.
            Oh, yes, I´m still a collector allright.

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              #21
              Originally posted by RylanBrissette View Post
              Pfffft, like what? a car, boat, house... come on that stuff can't compete with a nice SS visor!

              I am assuming by your post you are no longer a collector?
              It have never ever occured to you that a collector can change focus?

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                #22
                Originally posted by CurtD View Post
                Usually, I prefer the history -- that is why I look for used items.

                But in this case, for $5000, I would go with the SS cap. You can get genuine, used helmets (even with markings) that have been all over the place for a hell of a lot less than $5K. The SS cap is still an SS cap, it was just never used. It is made just like all the other SS caps, by the same people, at the same time, and is still a part of history. And $5K is less than 1/4 the going price of an SS general's cap.

                What people say and what they do are sometimes very different things. If everyone really only wants something used in the war, how come the mint Dachau insignia don't sell for 1/4 the price of used SS insignia? Often, they selll for more. And don't tell me it was because a vet liberated it and brought it home.

                I bet that almost everyone would be all over the SS cap in a heartbeat.

                I was going to go for the helmet, but Curt has a solid point.

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                  #23
                  Well, let's put this to the test.

                  I have an unlimited amount of war-used, unmarked, pieces-of-history helmets for $5K each. PM me and I will send you my paypal addr.

                  Don't waste your money on some mint SS item!!!!

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by TonyS View Post
                    I have so many questions -

                    1. This part is contradictory. First you say "A private-purchase 'SS Generals' visor" but then you say "Keep in mind that it is not really an SS Generals cap, it just looks like one." Is it an SS Generals visor or not?

                    2. If it's a private purchase visor, then wouldn't it have been made to order by an SS General? So that would, in theory, negate the part that no-one knew about it (especially the SS General).

                    3. Does the "yes it is, no it isn't" SS Generals visor have SS insignia on it?

                    4. Why would a cap maker in in Koblenz keep one of these in stock just on the off chance some high ranking officer will walk in to buy it. It would have to be a private purchase visor, and therefore it would have been ordered by an SS General and that brings us back to point # 2.


                    So after all that - if it is an unworn, still in the box, SS Generals visor with SS insignia I'll take it - if not the helmet will do........

                    Oh, puuhleeese...!

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by Brian Bonini View Post
                      2) A plain-jane no-decal M-40 helmet with no SS markings or name in it. But it was worn through the war by a known SS-mann and has bulletproof provenance. It was with Das Reich in France in 1940, then Stalingrad, Kursk, Italy, Normandy, and Arnheim.
                      I think all M-40 SS helmets would have had a decal, no? Plus, if it is a no decal non-marked helmet, by definition it's NOT an SS helmet. It's just an M-40 helmet worn by a member of the SS.

                      Gimmie that visor, unless it has no insignia - then it's just a silver piped German visor cap with a velvet cap band...............and then I'll take the helmet.

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                        #26
                        WSS General's cap...Why...I dont have one

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by robertdmountfor View Post
                          Oh, puuhleeese...!
                          Well it was a joke...........

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                            #28
                            To me both are rich in history. Just because the helmet has DNA on the liner....I always wonder how any item survived the war in pristine condition. If I had my way, financial as well as plain luck I'd have an example of every piece of headgear in mint condition AS WELL AS issued salty worn examples. I too,would choose the visor cap.

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                              #29
                              by the way not clear for me if the discussion is about a W-SS Gen. visor cap or an Allg. SS Gen. visor cap? It would not take one second for me to think what I would chosse.

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                                #30
                                Are you sure, everything is 100% original? When I read your description, I have some doubts about it...
                                As I look to Tony's post, he has good points! And about the helmet, worn by a member of the SS, who was in Stalingrad??
                                Are you sure nobody is trying to screw you?

                                But if the story is correct, I also would go for the visor. Why spend 5000 dollar for an helmet with no markings or decal?? I would search for a SS marked helmet, for that amount of money!

                                But this is only my opinion, ofcourse.

                                I would like to hear your opinion, Brian.

                                Kind regards,
                                Nick

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