With absolutely no desire to cast any reflection on the integrity of the site referenced, I have just looked at the W-SS Deutschland Sturmscharfuhrer tunic just listed with Craig Gottlieb. Is it me, or does this tunic simply not ring true?
Let me begin with the juxtaposition of artillery boards with Latin "D" cyphers and the cufftitle. The 3d W-SS Panzer Grenadier Regiment "Deutschland" did not have any artillery integral to this regiment - unlike, for example, the 4th W-SS Panzer Grenadier Regiment "Der Fuhrer" which did have six SdKfz 138/1 "Grille" assigned to it. So - no Deutschland NCO serving with that regiment could or should have worn red waffenfarbe. (As an aside, no soldier serving in a W-SS panzergrenadier regiment should have worn any waffenfarbe other than infantry white but I acept the possibility that soldiers serving in different roles such as artillery, pioneer or reconnaissance might have worn those waffenfarbes).
So...was this a VERY senior infantry NCO transferred to an artillery organization? I find this hard to believe - and in any case, he would have worn the insignia of the corps or divisional artillery of his new unit. This would have covered every division from 1 to 17 as they all had distinctive insignia (cufftitles: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 17; gebirgsjaeger insignia: 6, 7; foreign shields 13, 14, 15) - and a lot of the subsequent divisions also had identifying insignia.
Other concerns - the boards themselves are bizarre. Sturmscharfuhrer insignia (the most senior NCO rank) with one additional tresse strip which signifies an NCO candidate? Two strips would signifiy an officer candidate (an example of such is in Angolia's "Cloth Insignia" - a unique and questionable example, in my opinion) but these boards still only have that single strip.
Finally - from the pictures provided - we see no badge loops or ribbon bar loops or button ribbons...for the highest senior NCO from a premier W-SS regiment?
What am I missing here?
Mike
Let me begin with the juxtaposition of artillery boards with Latin "D" cyphers and the cufftitle. The 3d W-SS Panzer Grenadier Regiment "Deutschland" did not have any artillery integral to this regiment - unlike, for example, the 4th W-SS Panzer Grenadier Regiment "Der Fuhrer" which did have six SdKfz 138/1 "Grille" assigned to it. So - no Deutschland NCO serving with that regiment could or should have worn red waffenfarbe. (As an aside, no soldier serving in a W-SS panzergrenadier regiment should have worn any waffenfarbe other than infantry white but I acept the possibility that soldiers serving in different roles such as artillery, pioneer or reconnaissance might have worn those waffenfarbes).
So...was this a VERY senior infantry NCO transferred to an artillery organization? I find this hard to believe - and in any case, he would have worn the insignia of the corps or divisional artillery of his new unit. This would have covered every division from 1 to 17 as they all had distinctive insignia (cufftitles: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 16, 17; gebirgsjaeger insignia: 6, 7; foreign shields 13, 14, 15) - and a lot of the subsequent divisions also had identifying insignia.
Other concerns - the boards themselves are bizarre. Sturmscharfuhrer insignia (the most senior NCO rank) with one additional tresse strip which signifies an NCO candidate? Two strips would signifiy an officer candidate (an example of such is in Angolia's "Cloth Insignia" - a unique and questionable example, in my opinion) but these boards still only have that single strip.
Finally - from the pictures provided - we see no badge loops or ribbon bar loops or button ribbons...for the highest senior NCO from a premier W-SS regiment?
What am I missing here?
Mike
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