"Pink" smock or not?

[Patty D]

...taste question. I will never buy.

Not the point really, no one will ever force you to buy anything you don't want, that's entirely up to you! All people want to do is debunk (or not as the case may still yet be, although that's looking increasingly unlikely...) what could be a long-held theory that has been incorrect all along!

Obviously it looks like someone has gone for the one on the estand (?) and going off some of the recent evidence posted here who could really blame them?!

[pete]

And who can blame them. I dont even have the small amount of cash to spend but i would have bought that.

I think what will end up here eventually is a small bunch of people with a top end rare smock, a bunch trying frantically to get back the ones they sold (without being honest theyre now originals), a bunch who destroyed or wrecked them crying in thier soup, and fake copies of these stamps showing up on other obvious fakes, including brand new fake stamps made by the fakers with the same idea as these ORIGINAL stamps ...Just what i think, and of course people still saying theyre fake and ego and reputations etc etc yadda yadda..

And there has been activity to buy these going on behind the scenes for about a year now, which is in itself quite interesting to me how much the sales price rose, not near the 1500 mark either, much much higher.

At some point the dealers will come out of the wood work and make a comment i hope, when its safe to do so, when crucial evidence further emerges. Who can blame then either, they have to think politically as well.....

[longislandercjv]

This was a very comprehensive thread on the infamous pink smocks.
It will stand as the most authoritative study of them with the "Pro" and "Con"
aspects clearly presented.
The one I have offered on Estand has been sold, with several back up buyers
in line. Apparently they (and I) believe them to be original wartime manufacture.
Additionally, I think the sale of this one will positively effect the value of similar pink smocks.
Thank you one and all for your evaluations & comments.

Chris Varrichio
longislandercjv
zoods@aol.com

[pete]

There is another for the same price range, maybe 300 bucks more.

http://www.paradeantiques.co.uk/mili...ble-pink-smock

WHEN they are accepted openly and the floodgates are unleashed, you can imagine the prices then.......

[NickG]

You just beat me to it!

http://www.paradeantiques.co.uk/mili...ble-pink-smock

Part of their description:


The origin of these smocks is unclear. A small batch of them appeared in the 1990, a bundle that had rotted on top and bottom and was ravaged by rodents. The ink stamps on the pockets had been overstamped with Soviet film company stamps. The fact that these are different to known examples, means that opinions to their authenticity are divided. Some theorise they could be an SS contract that was awarded to a lesser known, possibly Czech, company. Others state they were made after the war for a Soviet film. However, a substantial amount of collectors and dealers are now starting to believe that they are in fact originals, as the quality is too good to be film props. A fact determined by the increase in their value.
We are sitting firmly on the fence on this one.

Russian Rotary date stamp...(modern example, but these gave been around a long time for sure)!

[NickG]

I have got a WW2 rotary stamp. It covers the years 1940 to 1950 and every day in-between.

Can not tell you if it is German, British or USA but it came in a group lot from a veteran (airforce ?). Will post an image when I find where I have put it,

Chris

Of course such date stamps are relatively common on Luftwaffe gear using a rotary date stamp...(Note: the "4" sits much higher than "1939")
Member Esau posted this tag earlier this month...nothing unusual for the 1940's! Every day this date changed!
(curiously the part number was penned in by hand!)

This thread is insane.
So the stamp is thrown away after 1947 ?
its cut into the entire stamp.

and if the date is incorporated in the property stamp, (appears to be so, based on alignment...Owen had concerns..."date cut in stamp"...)
it could still be a rotary date stamp with the date changing (=2nd image!).

[nutmeg]

Here is a 1900 post card stamped with a rotary stamper , they have been around decades before WW2.

[kammo man]

Owen,

I'm personally not, but I'm open to the dialogue. You are most certainly an expert when it comes to camo items. Just help me understand, why someone would go to the trouble of putting a stamp, year, etc. but yet put a stamp with a 'fake' film studio on it. Would you not think they would put an actual film studio name on it if they were really going to go to all that trouble? I just don't think it makes any sense.

Pretty simple.
The stamps were added to add to the story of the Pinks being real.
Its just part of the lie that they somehow were stolen from a Russian costume house.

The Pinks should stand on their own but sadly do not.
Just about every aspect of them does not add up to them being real.

owen

[nutmeg]

Pretty simple.
The stamps were added to add to the story of the Pinks being real.
Its just part of the lie that they somehow were stolen from a Russian costume house.

The Pinks should stand on their own but sadly do not.
Just about every aspect of them does not add up to them being real.

owen

Quite the opposite ,as the the evidence above shows. I was always on the fence about these but am now totally convinced they are pre May 1945 . There are some who will never be convinced regardless of what factual information is produced. I know collectors who will never change an opinion once given no matter what facts are produced , I guess a matter of pride .

[RobertE]

So are the buyers of the last two smocks we know of in the last month, one for 1200.00 and the last for 1500.00, with plenty of back-up buyers.

The evidence is really overwhelming, and I was willing to be objective on these for as long as it took. I believe these smocks are 100 % pre-May 1945 produced.

s/f Robert

[kammo man]

Quite the opposite ,as the the evidence above shows. I was always on the fence about these but am now totally convinced they are pre May 1945 . There are some who will never be convinced regardless of what factual information is produced. I know collectors who will never change an opinion once given no matter what facts are produced , I guess a matter of pride .

You are entitled to your opinion 100% just as am I.

This post seems to be who can post the most wins.
Facts posted are non facts.
The longer the explanation the more fake the item.
This holds for the pinks.

Seems like not many of the believers really know SS cammo pullovers at all.
Its showing here very clearly.

[nutmeg]

You are entitled to your opinion 100% just as am I.

This post seems to be who can post the most wins.
Facts posted are non facts.
The longer the explanation the more fake the item.
This holds for the pinks.

Seems like not many of the believers really know SS cammo pullovers at all.
Its showing here very clearly.

We are just going to have to respectfully disagree . However, just continually saying "they aren't" in spite of this new evidence to the contrary shows this may be more about pride then anything else. I tend to be a natural skeptic which is why I never kept one in my collection (had one years ago) but now I will.

[kammo man]

Why you keep your item is up to you.

What new evidence ?

[nutmeg]

Why you keep your item is up to you.

What new evidence ?

If a sample of this material turned up in the Berlin Archives dated 1944 you'd say it was put there as part of a conspiracy to validate these smocks.

[RobertE]

Why you keep your item is up to you.

What new evidence ?

We can't spoon feed you, Owen. It is apparent you have been skimming the posts if you are unaware of what has been made public recently. Please read them.

"The longer the explanation the more fake the item."

This is not a collector's truth, and it is ludicrous to post in a discussion forum. Several detractors have posted this statement, so let me say this: some complex issues can't be explained in three lines. They require objective discussion and quite often detail. A sleeve eagle can get by with a few words, but not a major end item.

s/f Robert