"Pink" smock or not?

[Erwin]

However, it was quite amazing what they could smuggle out of Russia. One M40 combat jacket still had all the Germans papers and awards in it including a very combat worn S&L Type A KC. In fact after one deal, my friend found US$10,000 in the pocket of one of the Soviet army jackets. We figured it was probably the guys life savings and took it back to him. He was very thankful/ gateful After that, he always had a nice German WW2 or even WW1 item for us, every time, no trouble. Always smuggled out of Russia. Always to say thanks and no German WW2 item with fake Russian stamps at the time only real stamps from where they were stolen from. Always a discount if Russian stamps on German items.

I live through those times. I saw what it was like before the 1980's and after,

Chris

What a load of bollocks, you know and you know I know this is a crock of bull****.

[NZMark]

you just can' be serious

In regards to trading with the Russians at that time - Very Serious, Sir.
They also loved washing machines, but sewing machines and Levi jeans were good trade items also. No, Not Kidding.
Mark
New Zealand.

[kammo man]

Mr King.
Please refrain from the personal attacks.

owen

[90th Light]

What a load of bollocks, you know and you know I know this is a crock of bull****.

Well I am sorry to break the news to you Jack,

but some circles you were just not part of or welcome in at that time. However, you are right about one thing, there was no Soldbuch.

Here is the description and images of the the KC when it changed hands in 2000. Sadly it was all broken up to get the most money and I was not lucky or fast enough to get the K.C.

I will see if "ebony" will post later to tell you the story of the money. There was another guy called John who was also part of it all. He became good friends with the Russian involved, went over to vist them in the 1990's and wound up getting married to a Ukrainian girl. I remember him telling me how on one visit, he took over the biggest bottle of Johnnie Walker "Black Label" money could buy for his future father in law. They finished it off in one night and also another unknown Russian brand.

The good old days of the advertisments in the "RSA review" for you Jack that only too often you bang on about,

Chris

[kammo man]

And I am putting my kettle on to while I wait for the example of this Korean based camo ???



Chris

are you again calling me a liar ?

[90th Light]

are you again calling me a liar ?

No Owen,

you might be on to something. If we can find a Pink (Silver Birch ?) with Korean camo in it then that might just have solved the whole thing.

However, I would like to see one because no-one else on either side of the coin has seen one with Korean camo. You did say that you had seen it on several (see quote post number 1103) so they must be out there some where,

Chris

[kammo man]

Mr King.
Please refrain from the personal attacks.

owen

And answer this one while you are at it.

[Erwin]

Well I am sorry to break the news to you Jack,

but some circles you were just not part of or welcome in at that time. However, you are right about one thing, there was no Soldbuch.

Here is the description and images of the the KC when it changed hands in 2000. Sadly it was all broken up to get the most money and I was not lucky or fast enough to get the K.C.

I will see if "ebony" will post later to tell you the story of the money. There was another guy called John who was also part of it all. He became good friends with the Russian involved, went over to vist them in the 1990's and wound up getting married to a Ukrainian girl. I remember him telling me how on one visit, he took over the biggest bottle of Johnnie Walker "Black Label" money could buy for his future father in law. They finished it off in one night and also another unknown Russian brand.

The good old days of the advertisments in the "RSA review" for you Jack that only too often you bang on about,

Chris

I still don't believe you " Good honest veteran pick up" yeah right. I knew a guy who had a shop in Bluff and he used to buy anything off the Russian fishermen Russian uniforms, flags, belts, tins of paint anything that wasn't bolted down. But no WW2 German stuff as I asked him, but nothing.

As for Russian property stamps in WW2 German clothing, we'd never heard of them back in the early 80's. We had only knew of Hollywood film studio property stamps in genuine German uniforms etc. I had a WW1 German Pork Pie hat with a film company property stamps one time.

[90th Light]

I still don't believe you " Good honest veteran pick up" yeah right. I knew a guy who had a shop in Bluff and he used to buy anything off the Russian fishermen Russian uniforms, flags, belts, tins of paint anything that wasn't bolted down. But no WW2 German stuff as I asked him, but nothing.

As for Russian property stamps in WW2 German clothing, we'd never heard of them back in the early 80's. We had only knew of Hollywood film studio property stamps in genuine German uniforms etc. I had a WW1 German Pork Pie hat with a film company property stamps one time.

Well go and see what the Greek in Lyttelton got from them which was their first port of call in NZ. He had a whole shop full of it, Russian, German and everything else in between. Then again he did use to go drinking with them and feed them. May be they were cleaned out by the time they got to Bluff and only still had the crap he did not want.

However, I do agree with you about the Russian stamps and how we just never saw them in the 1980's. If we did see any, like when the "Pinks" (Silver Birch ?) first came into NZ then no-one knew what they were and it added nothing to the item. An SS camo smock was an SS camo smock and that was that back then.

Ever see the Blurred Edge Zelts that came with them and were sold for NZ$300 (US$150) also at that time or less if you haggled ?

Chris

[90th Light]

And answer this one while you are at it.

Here you are;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=714460

Chris

[kammo man]

Chris
You have crossed the line with me
Your rudeness on this thread is too much
You are on my personal ignore list on Waf
Owen

[Jeff V]

Lets keep this thread on topic. I don't want to see anyone on here being called a liar or any personal attacks. We are all collectors on here and should be able to discuss items without personal attacks. Thanks for everyones cooperation!

[Disco Partisan]

Full "Palm" smock description: (why put fake identical stamps in such a beauty...its "self authenticating" without the stamps" !!!

Because they had to sell hundred(s) of new and never-seen-before pink-oak smocks. So they could mix a few perfectly original items in "the find" (all with the same markings) and automaticaly no one questions their originality.

[Disco Partisan]

What about the triangualer and circular stamps (which have been seen on original clothing... see prior post, credit to Pete!)

triangualer and circular stamps make no sense. The only possible meaning that comes to mind for "Б.И.Л." in the triangualer stamp associates with " Библиотекой Имени Ленина" = "Lenin State Library of the USSR"

Also i find it unusual for russians to use color inks, they usually used only black (sometimes blue), and here we see red and green.

Here is what russian collectors said in summary:

This combination of stamps is bogus (in their opinion).
They also say that only movie studios that had camo uniforms in the SovietUnion were BelarusFilm and KyrgyzFilm. All uniforms were sold to the US in the late 80s and 90s.

The word in the stamp does not match any of these two names. (below note no dashes)

[Disco Partisan]

Only four movie studios in SSSR contained "dash(-) in their names (and none of them matches the word in the stamp IMO):
1. Gruziya-Film
2. Moldova-Film
3. South-Siberian Film Studio
4. Halychyna-Film Studio

List of all movie studios in SSSR (by republics)

Armenian SSRepublic: Armenfilm
Azerbaijan SSRepublic: Azerbaijanfilm
Byelorussian SSRepublic: Belarusfilm
Estonian SSRepublic: Tallinnfilm
Georgian SSRepublic: Gruziya-Film
Kazakh SSRepublic: Kazakhfilm
Kirghiz SSRepublic: Kyrgyzfilm
Latvian SSRepublic: Riga Film Studio
Lithuanian SSRepublic: Lithuanian Film Studio
Moldavian SSRepublic: Moldova-Film
Russian SFSRepublic: Central Studio for Documentary Film · Gorky Film Studio · Lenfilm · Lennauchfilm · Mosfilm · Pilot · South-Siberian Film Studio · Soyuzmultfilm · Studio Ekran · Sverdlovsk Film Studio
Ukrainian SSRepublic: Dovzhenko Film Studios · Halychyna-Film Studio · Kyivnaukfilm (National Cinematheque of Ukraine · Ukranimafilm · Odessa Film Studio · Ukrtelefilm · Yalta Film Studio
Uzbek SSRepublic: Uzbekfilm
Tajik SSRepublic: Tajikfilm
Turkmen SSRepublic: Turkmenfilm

There is a chance that some of these names have been renamed/changed between 1945-1990. If anyone wants to do a research on each of them - all the info can be found on the internet.