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**Mike Davis** · 12-10-2007, 12:18 PM

Originally posted by John Pic View Post

Sorry for borrowing your phrase B.N.Singer its a good one and did I spell Practicaly right?

Ah, no you didn't.

**NTZ** · 12-10-2007, 12:23 PM

I also agree that some private purchase tunics may have been retailored for other individuals. I have a Heer one like this. It looks to have added about 2” to the sleeve and a reduction in the French cuff. Since I doubt the officer grew taller I can only surmise it was altered for another individual and yes it was all beautifully period done.

**B. N. Singer** · 12-10-2007, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by John Pic View Post

Sorry for borrowing your phrase B.N.Singer its a good one and did I spell Practicaly right?

Well, perhaps there are some who have given me "credit" for the coinage; but as far as I am concerned, you are welcome to use it (and all other's as well) anytime you feel the urge.

My preferred terminology, is however, "I could entertain a doubt"

B. N. Singer

**John Pic** · 12-10-2007, 12:30 PM

N.C. Wyeth thanks for that.Maybe someone will go look at it and see it to really clear it all up.

Thanks B.N.Singer..the phrase is a classic just like Fonzies hairdo.

**B. N. Singer** · 12-10-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by John Pic View Post

...Thanks B.N.Singer..the phrase is a classic just like Fonzies hairdo.

Thank you Sir!

Perhaps, I have made a beneficial contribution to this forum after all!

B. N. Singer

**Johnny R** · 12-10-2007, 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by NTZ View Post

I also agree that some private purchase tunics may have been retailored for other individuals. I have a Heer one like this. It looks to have added about 2” to the sleeve and a reduction in the French cuff. Since I doubt the officer grew taller I can only surmise it was altered for another individual and yes it was all beautifully period done.

I agree fully. I have a Heer Lt. Cols tunic that was tailored mid-war from a prewar doe skin SS officer's overcoat. It has a light outline of the sleeve eagle remaining on the arm.

KIA, wounded out-processed etc. tailored clothing was reused, high quality cloth from early and pre-war items were in high demand and sought by tailors.

**busterz111** · 12-10-2007, 01:22 PM

No Offense to any Christians out there (my self included) but religion has no bearing on business so why use that as a Crutch.Someone will take you for a ride as far as they think they can take you before they get caught.Also if you Use John Pics theory about trying to see eagles I believe it works the other way when you dont want to see one either.

**John Pic** · 12-10-2007, 01:31 PM

Only for some who chose not to see anything but a prudent collector or dealer would look a tunic over thoroughly enough to spot something if it were there.

**phild** · 12-10-2007, 01:47 PM

Originally posted by busterz111 View Post

No Offense to any Christians out there (my self included) but religion has no bearing on business so why use that as a Crutch.Someone will take you for a ride as far as they think they can take you before they get caught.Also if you Use John Pics theory about trying to see eagles I believe it works the other way when you dont want to see one either.

I took Kris's statement to mean that Bill was a man of high ethical character and embraced the Golden Rule principle in his treatment of others along with the obvious belief elements, I agree not traits practiced by all Christians and not unique only to a Christian....but that is how I read it.

"Jr.officers were fitted with a used tunic or one tailored with a breast eagle sitting in a shop and later removed by the tailor it was economically sound and pfennig pinching was in vogue back then.SS officers didnt care they felt they were part of the Wehrmacht" JPic..

The above is so very true. Many of these private purchase officer tunics were not actually custom tailor made but rather "off the shelf and altered...actually many were what is known as semi-custom rather than truly "bespoke" garmets. There would have been a very high chance that some of these would have had a Heer eagle already attached.

I think that Kris's remark about there being NO indication of a breast eagle is also interesting and goes back to what many have said about there being no substitute for a face to face look.

**NTZ** · 12-10-2007, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by phild View Post

I think that Kris's remark about there being NO indication of a breast eagle is also interesting and goes back to what many have said about there being no substitute for a face to face look.

I hope this doesn’t open any can or worms but I digitally photograph a lot of my tunics. Just like John said about black lighting showing things the naked eye can miss IMO so does digital photography. Some things as subtle as an extremely minor change in material color can show up and be enhanced. I have used negative imaging sometimes to see if I missed something. I know that I have one tunic that looked real good in hand. I seen something that shown up with a digital photo. Then I looked extra hard in different lighting and guess what? It was restored. What I am trying to say is all pics show the image of a bird. We are not all nuts (or maybe we are

). Look at the one I enhanced. Maybe it was overlooked in hand just like the one I overlooked before?????????

**NTZ** · 12-10-2007, 02:15 PM

Here is the pic again. Sorry but I see it.

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**John Pic** · 12-10-2007, 03:00 PM

By looking at that Nick all I can say is yes there are marks there in the form of a wreath and I think I see a wing edge..how does that prove a tunic was post war altered? I see Heer tunics get bagged on these forums to all the time because the eagle has sloppy stitching all of a sudden the magic eye says it was done post war..ridiculous.Unless you were there or the person who had it done tells you, you dont know.I really wonder if guys truly think that a guy threw away his old tunics everytime he was promoted or changed service branch from heer to SS or vis versa. A crock of baloney.

**NTZ** · 12-10-2007, 03:36 PM

John I agree 100%. There is certainly no way to know of it was done post war or wartime based on these pics. That is why I have tried to keep a very open mind on this one. It is also why I said over and ver this one comes down to provenance pure and simple. You take in the chain of custody and how it was obtained and you buy into it or not. It is that simple. For me I still think is has a good chance of being right. I am about 55%/45%, 55% liking it.

**pete** · 12-10-2007, 03:47 PM

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Whats stopping you guys? Buy it! Then inspect it in hand and tell us.

**John Pic** · 12-10-2007, 03:54 PM

I dont have that kind of money at the moment its the most wonderful time of the year and I have one that I like just fine.

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