M44 Pattern Camo Jacket

[Spongebob]

Sorry,but for me its still a fake!!!

Of course,if post my honest opinion,there's always someone who is
against it but not because the item could an real piece,no,only to be
bossy.
So if someone is against my opinion,make an C14 Test,to see that's
an fake cloth out of the last 10 years!!!


If an Camo item wasn't wrapped in airtight packing the cloth it's always a little damaged,so I think every real collector can difference what is an genuine piece,especially an camo piece what looks absolute new is absolut suspect for me!!!
Noone can deny that 62 years(or more)made the newest piece a little old,so
who's that opinion that this camo Tunic is real could get the problem to get
messed around everytime with every piece what is bought for a collection and the problem is :

noone feels ashamed today to palm a fake off on somebody!!!

That's the problem!!!

[Mark Holden]

Spongebob,

Nothing against your opinion, you are of course entitled to it. I am challenging your naive and ill considered reasons for calling it a fake. If you bothered to read my comments I was addressing your suggestion that the colours were too 'green and purple'. I say again wide variations exist in dye colours, perhaps you might like to invest in a couple of books on the subject! As Fred said these pieces are always going to provoke contoversy but to say it should have more badges on it has no basis in fact real or imagined. IF its original(and without handling it I can't say for definite either way, you clearly have powers to reach through the computer screen and touch it to make your decision) its a cheap company tailor produced piece belt ramps are the last thing you would expect to find.

regards

Mark

Of course,if post my honest opinion,there's always someone who is
against it but not because the item could an real piece,no,only to be
bossy.
So if someone is against my opinion,make an C14 Test,to see that's
an fake cloth out of the last 10 years!!!


If an Camo item wasn't wrapped in airtight packing the cloth it's always a little damaged,so I think every real collector can difference what is an genuine piece,especially an camo piece what looks absolute new is absolut suspect for me!!!
Noone can deny that 62 years(or more)made the newest piece a little old,so
who's that opinion that this camo Tunic is real could get the problem to get
messed around everytime with every piece what is bought for a collection and the problem is :

noone feels ashamed today to palm a fake off on somebody!!!

That's the problem!!!

[Fred Fokkelman]

Spongebod, I have seen dot trousers totally bleeched, worn out and damaged: Fake. I have seen dot trousers with bright colours, no damage and almost like new: Original.
Conclusion, your theory does not stand.

[viva_giulio]

just my opinion: i'll never, never, never and again never buy this item.

Field private made... possible but there are too many strong things that suggest this item it's a fake.

probably i'll never do the businness of my life because when i buy SS items i always buy teextbook or wellknown example... but for sure i have less % to have a fake in my collection.

[Luca Ongaro]

These are one of the most difficult subjects in collecting. Only with good provenance and a hand inspection can we give a final jugdement. Fact remains that these items remain hard to sell.

Totally agree with you Fred
IMO no one can give a final judgment by these pictures without hand inspection, personally I have seen many SS soldiers wearing all types of field made clothing, specially camo and I like these garments.
Obviously as told are very difficult to sell and judge.
Luca

[nutmeg]

Spongebob,

Nothing against your opinion, you are of course entitled to it. I am challenging your naive and ill considered reasons for calling it a fake. If you bothered to read my comments I was addressing your suggestion that the colours were too 'green and purple'. I say again wide variations exist in dye colours, perhaps you might like to invest in a couple of books on the subject! As Fred said these pieces are always going to provoke contoversy but to say it should have more badges on it has no basis in fact real or imagined. IF its original(and without handling it I can't say for definite either way, you clearly have powers to reach through the computer screen and touch it to make your decision) its a cheap company tailor produced piece belt ramps are the last thing you would expect to find.

regards

Mark

Well said,

Also it is important to keep in mind these are photos of the item now second or third generation. The actual colors might be rather different in person including the brightness. In the world of collecting 62 years is not a long time (almost as old as I am) , there is plenty of stuff around still as fresh as new, mint. You still find mint Civil War uniforms and firearms.

[Bob Curuthers]

nono:

Dear spongebob?????

what's the story with the daft bit of cheese wearing a uniform?? and all the smiley's?

I thought this was a site for adults.

Taking all the above into consideration, and your location 'Bikini Bottom' do you really expect to be taken seriously??

Best Bob

[Fred Fokkelman]

I am so sick that the ignorant try to rule this hobby with trivial statements. Kindergarten stories.

[Spongebob]

That's what I'm talking about!

That's what I'm talking about! I post only to help the comunity that noone
get messed around and a lot of people put in their two cents
Not to get the most realistic result,no only to have the final say


Of course you can find mint originals but never never ever from an dealer!!!
The only mint piece I got from an veteran.
And the possebility to find an absolutly mint piece of rare Uniforms in so much cases is absolutly incredible,everyone who think there are still thousands
of mint rare SS Camo Uniform deceive onself.
So the best way is to find that pieces is to search there where they could be.
But please never forget that dealers would do everything
to get your money ,so they add so much insignia and decorations how they
can find and try to sell it for an horrible priceand everyone
here knows that but if there is a rare piece a lot of collectors dreaming,
Oh how great would it be if that would be an original and they
project their wishes in that offers and risk more and more money,that's it
from what that dealers live ,to sell pretty dreams
Please see at the seams,these was sewn with thread in two differnt shades

I think to quote an Moderator of the wehrmachts awards forum:
..I would never believe in the genuiness of a piece,if don't get it from an vet!"




So with this word I will close my text and will give the other posters the chance
to have the final say



P.S. If someone is my avatar too childish,forums should bring fun and
if someone says that is not allowed and that and that and that we are
so adult here,then the fun get lost and the freedom of opinion
and isn't that what made american forums so popular in the entire
world

(@Bob curuther Spongebob isn't a cheese he is a sponge!!!)

[Gary Wood]

spongebob,
have you not ben banned once for posting porn photos when you used the name erschosseneschw

[gijoe002us]

Camo colors

If I remember correctly, I believe I have seen some of the earth shades appear almost purpleish. I think the one thing I have learned about ww11 camo (ss especially) would be the constant change in pattern, dyes, and the use of otherwise imperfect production runs and scraps that simply dont match to complete garments. As for the jacket in question I would not purchase it, simply for the fact that some items are too good to be true one way or another.

Take care,
Joe

[Robert H]

kindlicher Waschschwamm, you never know what will show up where and when.

[Fritz]

These are one of the most difficult subjects in collecting. Only with good provenance and a hand inspection can we give a final jugdement. Fact remains that these items remain hard to sell.

That is true...The fabric is IMO period fully handscreened 5/6 platane ...Is the whole item period? I don't know, always be very, very careful with "fieldmade" items.

Cheers

Fritz

[John Pic]

RK strikes again ??