Early SS Skull + eagle, do they have a chance ?

[zbv500]

Hi all,

a friend of me just visited me with this pair of SS insignia. He wanted to hear what I think about them. Well, I have strong doubts about the originality of them, but I dont want to tell him something wrong.

So I wanted to ask the experts on these.

What is your opinion about this set ?

Many thanks, Jens

[zbv500]

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[zbv500]

look at the head area and the right feed, looks like the metal was stamped crooked.

[zbv500]

back

[zbv500]

the back is unmarked

[Robin Lumsden]

The skull's original, but it isn't SS. It's army cavalry. The form is very distinctive.

[bwanek1]

The skull's original...

...and the eagle is most certainly not.

[zbv500]

Thanks Robert and Brad

So I will pass on the eagle and take only the skull.

They are supposed to be found together and the guy who has them is not a military buff at all. He said he got them from one household.

So is the eagle bad for sure ? I dont want to make a mistake and breack up a grouping.

Many thanks,

Jens

[bwanek1]

They are supposed to be found together and the guy who has them is not a military buff at all. He said he got them from one household.

So is the eagle bad for sure ? I dont want to make a mistake and breack up a grouping.

Unless it is some never-before-seen super rare early/prototype second pattern eagle, I would say it is safe to conclude that it is a fake.

Also, considering the skull is a first pattern skull, which was replaced by the second pattern skull starting in 1934, and the eagle is a second pattern eagle, which was introduced in 1936, finding the two together on the same cap would be very unusual.

[zbv500]

Ok Brad, thanks for your help. I think I will only take the skull now.

Thanks for taking the time.

Jens

[Robin Lumsden]

Jens.

Here are some of these skulls as they were dug up a few years ago by workmen in Germany......

The photo is courtesy of another forum member.

[Robin Lumsden]

There were hundreds of them found.......

[Robin Lumsden]

...the 2 types are clear here.....

[Robin Lumsden]

The one you show has been cleaned. Here is one before cleaning. It looks like zinc but it is actually silvered brass.