My Panzer tunic

[jacquesf]

$35K, Bill told me the seller confirmed it has been restored

Interesting that the description of the jacket does not include or reflect that it is restored? Oakleaf has just taken, again, huge flak because of a restored tunic, which was not described as such. Same standards should apply to all dealers. IMO. J

[Mark Edward C]

TK wrapper

This all original wrapper is still one of the best out there...IMO

[viva_giulio]

Interesting that the description of the jacket does not include or reflect that it is restored? Oakleaf has just taken, again, huge flak because of a restored tunic, which was not described as such. Same standards should apply to all dealers. IMO. J

there's a bit of difference... fake lah cypher, ct bought less than 9 months from estand on a nominative tunic.

[TonyS]

there's a bit of difference... fake lah cypher, ct bought less than 9 months from estand on a nominative tunic.

Yes those are some differences.

But if the dealer / collector knows the tunic is restored then it should be disclosed in the description - so there is no doubt.

If it is in fact restored I couldn't justify that asking price, but then as much as I respect Bill Shea, he didn't get wealthy by under pricing his militaria.

But like Scott said - it's a rare item and someone will buy it.

[viva_giulio]

i just speak with Francesco, wrap was found in Austria without runes and eagle. i don't comment the price cause is on consignment so there are Shea fees.

[Erik]

Yes those are some differences.

But if the dealer / collector knows the tunic is restored then it should be disclosed in the description - so there is no doubt.

If it is in fact restored I couldn't justify that asking price, but then as much as I respect Bill Shea, he didn't get wealthy by under pricing his militaria.

But like Scott said - it's a rare item and someone will buy it.

Well said.

Erik

[tgn]

Interesting that the description of the jacket does not include or reflect that it is restored? Oakleaf has just taken, again, huge flak because of a restored tunic, which was not described as such. Same standards should apply to all dealers. IMO. J

I could not agree more.

[Bill Shea]

The owner of the tunic just made me aware of the reattached runic tab and sleeve eagle. Upon learning this from the consigner, I immediately modified my description to reflect these characteristics. The applications were expertly done but, as always, with my efforts at full disclosure, I have now edited the description.
Sincerely,
Bill Shea

[Francesco]

The owner of the tunic just made me aware of the reattached runic tab and sleeve eagle. Upon learning this from the consigner, I immediately modified my description to reflect these characteristics. The applications were expertly done but, as always, with my efforts at full disclosure, I have now edited the description.
Sincerely,
Bill Shea

I was posting anymore on here but for correctness towards Bill I have to say that I forgot to mention to him about the rune tab and eagle.That's only my foult.

[wolfslair44]

The owner of the tunic just made me aware of the reattached runic tab and sleeve eagle. Upon learning this from the consigner, I immediately modified my description to reflect these characteristics. The applications were expertly done but, as always, with my efforts at full disclosure, I have now edited the description.
Sincerely,
Bill Shea

top notch.

[voltageman7]

Does anyone own a verified "all original"?

[Scott A. Hess]

I have never seen Bill, or any other dealer, put a gun to someone's head and say you must buy my item. These are conscious decisions and choices. I have many wonderful and rare pieces which I have acquired from Bill and other dealers/collectors which seemed expensive at the time of purchase. I have watched those items double and triple many times in value. You can never go wrong buying nice, rare original items. There are many dealers/individuals from whom I would never purchase a piece, but Some, including Bill, whom I would never hesitate to do business with.

[voltageman7]

I do a fair amount of business with Bill, never any problems. I am concerned this item is referb, Bill says just about all are to some degree.

[wolfslair44]

I have never seen Bill, or any other dealer, put a gun to someone's head and say you must buy my item. These are conscious decisions and choices. I have many wonderful and rare pieces which I have acquired from Bill and other dealers/collectors which seemed expensive at the time of purchase. I have watched those items double and triple many times in value. You can never go wrong buying nice, rare original items. There are many dealers/individuals from whom I would never purchase a piece, but Some, including Bill, whom I would never hesitate to do business with.

I don't think the issue here is buying from Bill, or that any dealer is holding a gun to a buyer's head, or that buying rare pieces are a good investment. The issue was that there was no mention in the original listing that it was repaired/re-applied insignia post-war. Bill has corrected once he found out from the consignor, but this also would impact the asking price, or at least it should, imo. At the end of the day though, you are right it is a rare piece, which if priced accordingly should increase in value over the years. That is provided that all young collectors (the next generation, which we all will be relying on if looking to sell at some point) are not driven away from the hobby by some crooked dealers. It's the ones that are trying to peddle 'untouched' uniforms, etc., knowing full-well they are not, for ridiculous prices. IMO, they are ruining the hobby and run the risk, long-term, of driving a new generation away from collecting. Then we can talk about investments and how they've plummeted because there are no buyers.

[voltageman7]

What is a fair price? I have read a plain SS wrap is approx $18k plus another $5k for insignia. $23K - $25K is what I'm hearing, The asking price now has come down to $30K bottom line. Is that recommended here? I only buy SS from Bill to be sure I am getting solid pieces. I would jump on it for $25K, $30K is putting me off.