Solid Aluminum Cap Insignia

[SScollector]

The skull on the black officer's visor grouping of pics, is an aluminum
Deschler, (M1/52), skull. The skulls and eagles very seldom had matching
markings, although there were a few.

Also Donald, do you know what type, (maker), of eagles are on your
black hats that are with the aluminum Deschler skulls?

Thanks! Chris

[Donald Abenheim]

The skull on the black officer's visor grouping of pics, is an aluminum
Deschler, (M1/52), skull. The skulls and eagles very seldom had matching
markings, although there were a few.

Also Donald, do you know what type, (maker), of eagles are on your
black hats that are with the aluminum Deschler skulls?

Thanks! Chris

Dear Colleague, these are caps that I have owned in the past and have gone on to new and happy owners. The Stezelberger cap is identical to two of them, and these caps had Zimmermann eagles (Cupal) (Hoheitszeichen...) and the alu. Deschler TK's (M1/52). I agree that the badges are often mixed up as to maker for reasons that seem very odd to me. Stezelberger and I had a long conversation about the Zimmermann and Deschler combination. He was very skepitcal about it, until I assured him that I had seen other pieces identical to it and with features very close to his own.

[SScollector]

Thanks Donald!

I forgot to say that I believe the skull on the Waffen EM hat in the small
pic is not an aluminum skull, but still a Deschler.

Best, Chris

[derek]

Chris,
I do believe you are right about the skull. I had a good close look with the hat out of its case and whereas I had always thought they were exactly the same finish they do differ. Once I get this imageshack thing figured out I will post an M1/8 aluminium eagle. Here it is without that little thunbnail thing. Thanks again Brad.
Derek

[Donald Abenheim]

Riddles of the badges

Do look carefully at the badges on the cap astride the the cover of the Wilkin's book. The Hoheitszeichen appears to me to be of zinc, whereas what I guess is an Overhoff TK is buntmetall or Cupal. This mixture of things is really quite common and warns us against our dogma of standardization. One can also find, on black uniforms, for instance, a mixture of buttons from different makers. Or, the buttons for the closure are different from those of the Seitenhaken. We seek uniformity and predicability, and the past offers us enigmas and riddles. Thanks to colleagues for highly informative data and marvelous images.

[bwanek1]

Adrian and Derek, those are two absolutely superb looking birds!

It is that fantastic detail which I believe sets these rare aluminum insignia apart from the other materials which, in my opinion, lost some fine detail when were coated with silver wash or paint after coming out of the dies.

Thanks to all who have contributed. If anyone else has other examples to share, please do so. PM me if you cannot post photos and would like me to help you do so.

Likewise, thanks to those who have shared their knowledge regarding what is known (and what remains unknown) regarding these insignia.

Brad

[derek]

Apropos your comment about mixture of badges found on caps, here is the skull badge that accompanies the eagle on this hat. I do not know who is the maker but I'm sure the x-ray vision of the advanced badge collectors here will reveal all.
Derek
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[DaveJ]

Here is one I have, missed out on a skull to go with it 10 years ago,

[DaveJ]

reverse

[bwanek1]

I do not know who is the maker but I'm sure the x-ray vision of the advanced badge collectors here will reveal all.
Derek

My x-ray vision says Deschler.

[derek]

Thank you Brad,
Any idea who this one is made by. I have not had it off the hat either but I believe it to be aluminium. Mind you, I thought the other one I posted was too.

Derek

[bwanek1]

Thank you Brad,
Any idea who this one is made by. I have not had it off the hat either but I believe it to be aluminium. Mind you, I thought the other one I posted was too.

Derek

Looks like an aluminum Deschler to me!

[SScollector]

Yes, these are both Deschler skulls. Derek, could you please post a straight-on front close up picture of the last one you posted, (the aluminum skull on the hat)?
Also, I don't suppose you have a picture of the back of the aluminum M1/8 eagle?

Thanks! Chris

[derek]

Chris,
This the best I can do with the hat rolling around on my scanner. With regard to the M1/8 eagle, I have never taken the eagle off but can just make out the code lifting the eagle away from the hat.
Derek

[Donald Abenheim]

Donnerwetter

All hail Colleague Chapman's wonderful pieces. Also note on the officer's cap above the rayon piping white piping at hand. I had a cap similar to this, with such identical piping in the early 1970s with a field grey silk cap cover. I stupidly got rid of it, but it had this same rayon piping as found on certain few other caps, as well as Schulterstuecke- und Klappen. Viel Sammerlglueck.