M-40 W SS Officer tunic Wittman $7995

[BrianK]

Looks like it was made last month.....

[patrice]

Sorry Patrice, I was not annoyed by you . My apologies. I am annoyed because people post these “ mint and perfect” tunics and think someone can tell them if there is anything wrong. It’s on a dealers site and I fail to see what there is to discuss about it unless someone examined it in hand and found flaws.

No hard feelings mate, we're all here to learn and help one another, thanks.
Best regards

[kersten]

Looks like it was made last month.....

It looks ridiculous - obviously someone wants / needs $7995 for maybe $1500 - $2500 worth of stuff - as for the $5995 boots worth at best $1100-1200 - it’s a black hole out there - sucking in ur cash

[John Pic]

I just noticed the sleeve lining material is the same as the liner. That would raise questions in my mind. It’s entirely possible but how often is it encountered in known original tunics ?
The insignias are worth a lot more than $1500 of the boards are real and the eagle.

[Knight]

The original SS uniform should have roughly three sources. The first is the uniforms of the dead during the war. Under normal circumstances, these uniforms were buried in the dead body, and then slowly rotted underground. The surviving spoils are rare. ; The second category is prisoners after the war. These SS soldiers will tear off their collars, epaulettes and eagles when captured. The uniforms worn by the prisoners of war leave no insignia, and they can enter the prison camp and participate in forced labor until they die or are released. Decades have passed, most uniforms were abandoned long ago, and few survived. The third category is the SS uniforms brought home by Allied soldiers as trophies. This category often has more stories than facts and is a gimmick for many sellers to make money.

[Tietze]

The original SS uniform should have roughly three sources. The first is the uniforms of the dead during the war. Under normal circumstances, these uniforms were buried in the dead body, and then slowly rotted underground. The surviving spoils are rare. ; The second category is prisoners after the war. These SS soldiers will tear off their collars, epaulettes and eagles when captured. The uniforms worn by the prisoners of war leave no traces, and they can enter the prison camp and participate in forced labor until they die or are released. Decades have passed, most uniforms were abandoned long ago, and few survived. The third category is the SS uniforms brought home by Allied soldiers as trophies. This category often has more stories than facts and is a gimmick for many sellers to make money.

And a fourth category is the walking out and dress uniforms that were left at home and not destroyed immediately following the end of the war. Clearly these did exist in Germany at the end of the war but would have mostly been located and sold / bought since. Similar to the vet bring backs, which were of course a US feature as it was banned to bring back souvenirs by English soldiers...…...

[Tietze]

The original SS uniform should have roughly three sources. The first is the uniforms of the dead during the war. Under normal circumstances, these uniforms were buried in the dead body, and then slowly rotted underground. The surviving spoils are rare. ; The second category is prisoners after the war. These SS soldiers will tear off their collars, epaulettes and eagles when captured. The uniforms worn by the prisoners of war leave no traces, and they can enter the prison camp and participate in forced labor until they die or are released. Decades have passed, most uniforms were abandoned long ago, and few survived. The third category is the SS uniforms brought home by Allied soldiers as trophies. This category often has more stories than facts and is a gimmick for many sellers to make money.

And a fourth category is the walking out and dress uniforms that were left at home and not destroyed immediately following the end of the war. Clearly these did exist in Germany at the end of the war but would have mostly been located and sold / bought since. Similar to the vet bring backs, which were of course a US feature as it was banned to bring back souvenirs by English soldiers

[dhunter93]

Just sticking to the tunic, rough wool and it hangs wrong - parted out heer? - also the sleeve lining was a good catch!

[dhunter93]

Parted out heer tunic or out of whole cloth?

[dhunter93]

Or new made from whole cloth?

[John Pic]

Or new made from whole cloth?

Can’t really say from photos but I will guess a Heer shell relined maybe a new collar . Very possibly all high end fake insignias, those wide litzen always show up on faked pieces. But the hands on test is the only way to be certain.

[John Pic]

The sleeve eagle is original though.

[HAF]

im unable to comment abaut insignia,but the base tunic is older German repro .it hand it look very modern made ,and i have seen a few of them over the years on the shows in DE .hope thats help a bit.

[BrianK]

Agree that the tunic itself looks like a recent reproduction. Anyone have comments on the collar tabs?

[Kehlsteinhaus]

im unable to comment abaut insignia,but the base tunic is older German repro .it hand it look very modern made ,and i have seen a few of them over the years on the shows in DE .hope thats help a bit.

Have you handled this tunic then.