Panzer straps opinions please

[Patrick W]

Hi Guys,

The piping on these is the shorter weave rayon type which I know is generally not well liked- how do these look please?

Many thanks for your opinions

Patrick

[Patrick W]

any opinions appreciated

[OSS]

The tresse has the appearance of that used by the DDR Volksarmee.

[Patrick W]

Hi, thank you I agree it is similar but to the best of my knowledge this particular type on these boards is considered wartime. The NVA stuff is shiny and synthetic. There is original pre 45 elongated diamond tresse and it is of this type.

See here-

https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...versus-reality

[90th Light]

Before coming to a conclusion, it is worth noting page 173 of the Beaver/ Bando book on SS insignia. About the "mouse grey NCO tress on the USA veteran brought back example picked up at Carentan 13 June 1944,

Chris

[Stive]

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Hi, thank you I agree it is similar but to the best of my knowledge this particular type on these boards is considered wartime. The NVA stuff is shiny and synthetic. There is original pre 45 elongated diamond tresse and it is of this type.

See here-

https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for...versus-reality

I agree with you
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[90th Light]

This is the comparison that is needed,

Chris

[Patrick W]

Thanks Chris and Stive- so Chris I guess from your post you believe the tresse may have been tailor added on promotion?

very likely I think as this type is very rarely encountered and not at all standard on any factory SS straps.

do the other aspects of the straps look ok to you?

many thanks

Patrick

[90th Light]

Thanks Chris and Stive- so Chris I guess from your post you believe the tresse may have been tailor added on promotion?

very likely I think as this type is very rarely encountered and not at all standard on any factory SS straps.

do the other aspects of the straps look ok to you?

many thanks

Patrick

Hello Patrick,

It is hard to know exactly when the tress was put on the SS straps. There is every chance that it is factory applied tress. It has been put on neatly by someone who seems to have known what they were doing. The important question in terms of the tress, is the question of postwar verses the rare wartime similar looking tress. Is there any way that you can take a photo side by side with a NVA NCO shoulder strap or two ?

As far as the SS strap itself being wartime or not. Again hard to tell from those image. Images laid out flat and open showing both sides would help. The only questionable point I can see at this stage, is the tunic size button hole. Some collectors do not accept straps with the large size tunic button hole as being correct,

Chris

p.s. the reason I post the image of page 173 from the Beaver/ Bando is because I am trying to tell if it is the same tress as on the Carentan US veteran brought back strap ???

[Patrick W]

Hi Chris, no it's not the same type of tresse as on the strap in the book. I don't own any NVA stuff so have nothing to compare however the tresses is clearly metallic not synthetic and matches the above shown comparisons very well.

Here are some more pictures-

[jlga]

I have edited the pictures hopefully they will help to get a better assessment

[GAMS1]

BTW I would have interest to know if the piping is a classical version variation of the "Fertigpaspel" ( one piece ready piping ) or a piece of synthetic silk-like piping sewn around a piece of string , and then used to build these straps ?
Nick