I think there were RZM produced white-tops with black crown piping for the 7th Cavalry that were made for the 1936 Olympics, so the cap in post 19 could be OK. Later versions I assume would be without RZM markings, as Derek points out.
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Yes, per the HH terms and conditions it can be returned. I believe they have one year from purchase to do so.Originally posted by Military View PostComment
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They do?! I bought a Luftwaffe tunic but when I pressed "bid" I.started doubting about the genuineness. I couldn't find anything about returning in the terms and conditions..Originally posted by wolfslair44 View PostComment
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I have no dog in this hunt (be it the cap itself or the auction house) but I thought I might remark on the content of this thread anyway. I’ve read this thread over a few times asking myself ‘What are they saying is wrong with this?’ Stangell asked as well if “it is definite that the White SS-visor at HH is a fake?” The only response was that “a real one it would be at least 3 or 4 times that” which, by itself, is a non-answer.
I, like many collectors, frequent this forum to learn something. As such, I very much respect people’s observations. Please note I said “observations” and NOT ‘opinions’ since we all know the truism about opinions. The fact is, I care very little about unsubstantiated opinions; they’re on the same par as the little emojis we’re all guilty of using.
In the present case, the only remark made that I can see as I reread the thread is Colin’s query about piping “I was under the impression that all Generals SS visors had to have silver piping not white??” Robert’s, follow-on claimed that “B.Alexanders reference has silver piping on top and on the crown" and, while a splendid photo was posted of Karl Wolff’s silver piped visor, is a reference in a book and a single photo all the evidence needed to condemn the present cap?
Below are images of three of my summer visors that I mentioned previously. All are piped in the appropriate waffenfarbe above & below the band while the tops aren’t piped as the Wolff visor is. Clearly, not all summer visors (even General officer’s cap) exhibited piping on top.
So again, beyond the piping remark of Robert’s can anyone elucidate what else might condemn the cap? If I missed the detailed explanation (“observations” vs ‘opinions’) of all the tells indicating it’s fake I apologize.
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Look what Derek wrote about the regulations what matches my knowledge about such caps where never RZM visor caps examples (post 12). All examples I have seen where also non RZM examples. To my own view I think only one maker made the white SS visor caps of higher rank. But not sure about EM/NCO examples that I call harder to find then higher ranks for such visor caps.
And I hope you excuse your self someday.Comment
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I restored the example shown in post #6 before it went to auction so you could say I got a very close look at it.Comment
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You say “Look what Derek wrote about the regulations what matches my knowledge about such caps where never RZM visor caps examples” Well, from what I can see, he said “The SS white cap was originally planned to be manufactured through the RZM but that was changed in June 1939 when the RZM announced: "The sale of the new SS summer white caps will not be done through the RZM. Rather, the RZM has transferred the manufacture and sale of white SS summer hats to approved cap manufacturers."” I’m not quite sure how this reference addresses what I was asking. What’s wrong with the subject cap beyond not having silver piping on top as Wolff’s does?Originally posted by Robert H View Post
Just looking for clarity versus being forced to guess at vague references being alluded to...
Sidebar ~ "And I hope you excuse your self someday" Again, clarity. What should I "excuse" myself for?
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for clarity, just think a little bid aka lesson learned.Comment
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What does this even mean? Reading your responses is like trying to decipher smoke signals when you're nearsighted.Originally posted by Robert H View Post
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Although the RZM did not end up handling the white cap and instructed SS officers to purchase their white hats directly from licensed hat manufacturers they still provided the makers with precise manufacturing specifications.
The set of specifications for both the fixed white top and the removable white top required all three pipings for SS-Oberfuehrer and above to be made of 3 mm aluminium cord.Comment
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Now I'm clear. Thanx Derek.
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Could not find any white SS cap in my RZM price lists, only price list I could find it was under the Kleiderkasse sales book.Comment
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The manufacturing regulation as published in the Mitteilungsblatt RZM, number 20 mentions October 7, 1939 the use of the RZM label with both forms discussed.Originally posted by derek View Post
Uniformen-Markt from August 15, 1939 mentions the white caps were not sold through the RZM, but manufacturing was handed over to those having an RZM
permission.Last edited by wilhelm Saris; 06-02-2020, 06:02 AM.Comment
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Martin has had several originals recently (NCO) .They go very fastOriginally posted by JustinS View Post
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