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    Fake/fantasy SS/LVF "Charlemagne" suitcase on eBay (seller : cantho1965)

    Hi,

    i always try to keep a cool head when i see fake/fantasy items on eBay, and i take the postulate that the seller is not knowing what's going on...

    But here, i have my doubts.

    Here is the original text of seller "cantho1965" of the ad on eBay :

    Valise en carton époque ww2, insigne des volontaires Français peint dessus, morceau de bande de bras collé sur la valise, étiquette intérieur présente. Pas de belle histoire à raconter, acheté dans une brocante du département de l'Orne pour son originalité. J'ignore l'authenticité de cette valise, enchérissez en connaisseur. Montrée à des collectionneurs qui ne peuvent pas préciser des choses, d'un collectionneur à l'autre c'est différent.
    Dimension : 38 cm / 21,5 cm / 9 cm. Pièce de terrain mais pas percée.

    Paiement par chèque.


    1) "WW2 period suitcase" : there is no proof that this suitcase is not from the post-war years.

    2) "French volunteers insignia painted on it" : this "Charlemagne" insignia is post-war and as far i know never existed in any period source.

    3) "part of cufftitle glued on the suitcase" : this "cufftitle" is a... bookmark, which was given as free gift for the release of the Gilbert Gilles 1989 books "Un Waffen-SS français raconte..." volumes 1 and 2. See in the next post.

    4) "sticker present inside" : this is a very common LVF propaganda sticker, available for a few euros on eBay and elsewhere (2 models exist).

    5) "i don't know if this item is original, buy at your own risk" : no more comment is necessary.

    6) "I showed it to various collectors, and they were unable to confirm anything, from one to another the reply was different" : i contacted him a after the item was put on eBay. I told him that - to avoid him any problem with a potential buyer - i was 100% sure that the suitcase was bogus. I then provided him with all the basic infos i presented here ("Charlemagne" insignia is post-war, "cufftitle" is a 1989 promotional bookmark.).
    The guy thanked me, and didn't modify his ad.

    7) "payment by check" : any eBay/PayPal user will understand what it's imply.

    Now anyone can make his own conclusions.

    To me the value of this suitcase is at best :
    - suitcase : 5 euros
    - bookmark "Charlemagne" : 10 euros
    - LVF sticker : 20 euros

    See You

    Vince
    Attached Files

    #2
    Hi,

    in the next pictures, i'm presenting the two original promotional flyers for the Gilbert Gilles 1989 books, and the "beautiful gift" included if you pre-ordered with the Ogmios bookstore, the "Charlemagne" bookmark.

    Please note that the bookmark is made in a kind of rigid plastic/fabric.
    "Charlemagne" is printed in off-white.
    And there is a fantasy RZM sticker on the back.

    See You

    Vince
    Attached Files
    Last edited by FrenchVolunteer; 04-24-2020, 01:26 PM.

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      #3
      Hi,

      171 euros, congratulations to the idiot "9***9" (2657) !

      https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Valise-ww2-W...d/114192403709

      See You

      Vince
      Attached Files

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        #4
        There has been 34 idiots to bet on this

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          #5
          These "collectors" only buy a "price"... they don't care if it is original or not because they don't have any knowledge... or even a brain...

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            #6
            Ridiculous lot

            Mike

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              #7
              As always, great detective work Vince!

              Clearly every Charlemagne veteran needed to identify himself, by painting a large divisional emblem on a suitcase, a common practice among Waffen SS veterans )))

              I came across one fellow who collected Galicia division uniforms and equipment - about 99% of his collection consisted of badly made fakes. Fake uniforms, fake patches, fake bags with Galicia emblem stamp on them ect ect. Some people do their homework and research, while some people don't and waste thousands of dollars as result.

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                #8
                only one SS/LVF "Charlemagne" suitcase did exist but I don't think it came back to home.

                Bundesarchiv_Bild_101III-Apfel-017-30,_Frankreich,_Paris,_deutsche_Besatzung.jpg

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                  #9
                  Hi,

                  thanks Höhe 112 for posting this picture, i think that many French collectors thought of this one, which is also on the front cover of the 2013 book of Rolf Michaelis "Franzosen in der Waffen-SS" (scan from my own copy, book in German).

                  This period picture was taken is the Caserne Clignancourt, which doesn't exist anymore and was located near the péripherique, in the North of Paris (Porte Clignancourt).

                  See You

                  Vince
                  Attached Files

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                    #10
                    I wonder how long it will take for that siutcase or one similar will pop up on fleebay

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                      #11
                      Notice he is wearing a DAF belt buckle.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jmb View Post
                        Notice he is wearing a DAF belt buckle.
                        Certainly an OT member departing to the WSS ...
                        Nick

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                          #13
                          Hi,

                          "cantho1965", the same seller, is currently proposing another French SS suitcase (!!!), and he even didn't change the description !

                          https://www.ebay.fr/itm/Valise-Franc...y/114388967994

                          Notice that he stay as evasive as possible to avoid any legal claim : "no great story... from an old collection... collectors have different opinions on this suitcase (yeah right !), buy at your own risk, i'm not a specialist...".

                          Seriously... I would advise any collector to stay very cautious with anything this seller may propose for sale... The obvious lack of skepticism from "cantho1965" is deafening...

                          See You

                          Vince

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                            #14
                            Fleabay is always willing to block pictures of a swaz but thinks nothing of allowing frauds and charlatans to sell their bogus ****!!

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