LW Paratrooper Uberfallhosen: Metal or aluminum belt buckles?

[GAMS1]

A good trousers ! the markings are ok and not to be confused with the repro
markings you can find ...
Nick

[17thairborne]

These are all really great comments and clues. I have read all of the other posts that you linked to and am feeling better about these. I have asked the seller to examine the inside material below the back pocket, under the lining to see if there are any numbers visible. I will post the results.

I clearly see the differences in the style of font for

Litzmannstadt

verses

LITZMANNSTADT

Soooo...if we are following this correctly, TROPENMILIRIA's Uberfallhosen, posted in the link above at post 33 show the correct city font, and the alu buckle. THe PW stencil and the provenance that he provides with the actual pants worn by the POW confirm for me that one can feel confident with a pair of UFH with alu buckle, provided everything else checks out. The last detail for me will be the absence of the numbers stamped under the pocket.

Again...many thanks to all of you for the service you render to the rest of us trying to collect with dignity. I cannot say how pleased I am with the comments and discourse!!

[Willi Z.]

Hello, IMO the maker stamp is different and the font used for the size is not the same neither. Cloth is a bit different too. I think the pants which start this thread are goog.

Yes, very obviously not the same markings or trousers.

[SMP]

Yes, very obviously not the same markings or trousers.

Yes, I see that now.

[martin hall]

I have a same , trousers with steel buckels, can,t see, any issues with pants, have not fully looked at shirt yet.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=700425

[17thairborne]

Martin,
Thanks for the link! That's a great uniform you have.

[17thairborne]

Here is the marking on the lining of the pocket. Reproduction or Original pair? They look just like the marks in M-E-H-T post in the added link. Everyone indicates they are original and that is an original mark found in the Litzmannstadt trousers. FOr me this is the last clue.

[Scott A. Hess]

Does it read 10Gro(umlaut?)009 .?. Not sure but I'm stumped on this one, however I wouldn't throw out the baby with the bath water just based on this.

[17thairborne]

That's what it looks like to me.

[Scott A. Hess]

I will post a few more pictures of two garments later today, One will be quite similar to the one posted by Fettes (post 11) the drillich Luft work trousers, I will be quite curious to hear what the opinion is based on several details..which may or may not help to authenticate the pants in question. I have also deciphered correctly (I believe) the markings on the pants in question in the last picture, it is 10Gr1009, which may be helpful. My last question, is how detailed do members feel I should be with some details not discussed or shown, one thought is it will only educate the fakers, the other thought is, they are fairly well educated enough, and to me its still 75 percent about having the correct cloth for the base garment, its just a tough call. Posting these details does help the collectors as well avoid being taken advantage of. There are a couple of details I wont post...Im sure many collectors are already aware of them, and honestly it is something one should pick up quite easily after studying cloth for enough years, I will share them with those on the forum who are trusted...not with someone who has 2 posts and is from Eastern Europe, no offense to eastern europe, that's just the way it is. I'd like to hear some opinions please.

[John Hodgin]

A good trousers ! the markings are ok and not to be confused with the repro
markings you can find ...
Nick

Agree, very fine überfallhosen, with the obviously correct LW stamp. Really like the shirt too!

[Scott A. Hess]

I have had these pants for a while, nothing super fancy or rare, just an unissued set of LW Drillich Hosen...I believe they are original, however, always open to constructive criticism re any potential red flags. The smaller buttons are not plastic, either a resin or glass, a bit hard to tell, the larger ones on the hip pockets may be glass, the smaller ones, all the same, are marked L.W. --this does not stand for Luftwaffe, just a makers name, although somewhat similar in color to the short fake tropical pants of the 80's, they are not the same, and I have seen them used on other period garments. Waits buckles are aluminum just as in the ones posted by Fettes. Note stitching reinforcement at the top and bottom of flaps of pockets..different thread used..a finish threat, just like the buttons. Note, there is no LBA stampings on the pants denoting acceptance...still tagged they may have never reached a depot, not sure.

[Scott A. Hess]

More Pictures, specifically the buttons...also the buttons holes are all correctly gimp corded (not in itself defining as original machines are used by ATF), they are the keyhole "cut first stitch last" variety, as opposed to the other reverse...which I do like to see more, but the stitch first cut second is also accepted. Fish eye button holes I typically dont like, but are seen on authentic garments...finally, buttonhole made with standard foot attachment I usually dont like, however, common on some SS hbt item.

[Scott A. Hess]

More Photos--showing the control tag, which mirrors the interior size markings, and just details of rear of trousers.

[Scott A. Hess]

A few more...finally the Litzmannstadt marking, which I believe is correct, and a shot of the top interior of the pants showing a nice marrying of different materials. Eager to hear your thoughts and opinions.