LW FD camo shloulderboards

[antifake]

Hi,

in my opinion a good boards, but all opinion are welcome...

Radek

[antifake]

[antifake]

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[OSS]

I'm not sure I share your enthusiasm for these straps. I have never seen a LWFD smock (and naturally no straps) made from this material. I have never seen this type of strap pieced together (with the diagonal seam) as these are. Also the snags on the reverse of one strap suggests to me that this material has been salvaged from another garment.

[antifake]

I'm not sure I share your enthusiasm for these straps. I have never seen a LWFD smock (and naturally no straps) made from this material. I have never seen this type of strap pieced together (with the diagonal seam) as these are. Also the snags on the reverse of one strap suggests to me that this material has been salvaged from another garment.

Ok, thank you. Here is link of board from same fabric from John Hodgin:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=felddivision

[OSS]

Ok, thank you. Here is link of board from same fabric from John Hodgin:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=felddivision

It is not the same material at all. Mr. Hodgin's strap is made from Grunmeliert fabric overprinted with splinter cammo. It is also constructed differently from your pair.

[antifake]

Hello,

you are right, fabric is not same.

But I have than question: Did german army produced FD jacket and shoulderboards for them only from HBT and Grünmeliert fabric? Please, what is diferent in construction?

Radek

[OSS]

Hello,

you are right, fabric is not same.

But I have than question: Did german army produced FD jacket and shoulderboards for them only from HBT and Grünmeliert fabric? Please, what is diferent in construction?

Radek

These jackets were made from several different materials (Grunmeliert, cotton duck, HBT), however straps seem to have been discontinued later in the war. The Grunmeliert example is backed with smooth cotton material and is not pieced together like yours.

[Willi Z.]

Radek, I don't like these either. To me that exact pattern of splinter was not used for these boards, or even FD jackets. To me the splinter fabric appears to have been taken from a FJ smock, as that exact type of splinter pattern was present on some smocks dated from Oct of '43 onwards. They do appear to be Luftwaffe Splittermuster.

Are you bringing them next week?

[Jan43]

Hi All
To Radek These are a set of absolutely original shoulder boards for a FD jacket made out of exact same fabric as the boards are made of. And that these a made with the crossing sew pattern, is totally normal practise used by manufacturers to save and use all scrap fabric material, and it´s a practise also used on many FBs.

I must say I´m a bit surprised to see so many of You, and with a top and veteran collector among You, is of this opinion and not being aware that FD Jackets also were made in this particular fabric and pattern.

These are VERY RARE and even more in this condition Radek so please hold on these, and beware of this so that top collectors who know these are originals, don´t trick them from you for a low bargain price telling you that "these probably isn´t original".

To the correct collector these will be worth A LOT OF MONEY as these are even more rare than GM boards.
Also,.. this kind of fabric and splinter camo is used on Jump Smock at least all the way back from August 1942 (not okt. 43) and onwards.
Best Jan

[Michael N]

Hi All
To Radek These are a set of absolutely original shoulder boards for a FD jacket made out of exact same fabric as the boards are made of. And that these a made with the crossing sew pattern, is totally normal practise used by manufacturers to save and use all scrap fabric material, and it´s a practise also used on many FBs.

I must say I´m a bit surprised to see so many of You, and with a top and veteran collector among You, could make such a misjudgement of an original item and not being aware that FD Jackets also were made in this particular fabric and pattern.

These are VERY RARE and even more in this condition Radek so please hold on these, and beware of this so that top collectors who know these are originals, don´t trick them from you for a low bargain price telling you that "these probably isn´t original".

To the correct collector these will be worth A LOT OF MONEY as these are even more rare than GM boards.
Also,.. this kind of fabric and splinter camo is used on Jump Smock at least all the way back from August 1942 (not okt. 43) and onwards.
Best Jan

Not an original pair!

[Jan43]

Not an original pair!

At least give us an argument why you don´t think that they are.

[OSS]

Hi All
To Radek These are a set of absolutely original shoulder boards for a FD jacket made out of exact same fabric as the boards are made of. And that these a made with the crossing sew pattern, is totally normal practise used by manufacturers to save and use all scrap fabric material, and it´s a practise also used on many FBs.

Please direct me to a LWFD jacket made from this specific material as I have never encountered one. There is a thread devoted to Luftwaffe Field Division items under the Fallschirmjaeger Forum with dozens of smocks and yet none made from this material. Your argument would be much more convincing if you could provide some evidence.

[Willi Z.]

I would like to see this exact splinter pattern on a smock dated back to August of '42. This pattern of splinter is common to smocks manufactured in 1944, and I have also seen some made in the fall of 1943. The earliest I have seen, that I can recall, is October of '43. I am more than happy to learn something new and see some made earlier. The large growth of FJ Divisions started in the summer/ fall of 1943, which is when we can observe new patterns of splinter camo. But again, there is always something new to experience and learn from.

That being said; one can disagree and share opinions, but not in such a personal, condescending, and accusatory manner. Lying to Radek so the boards can be purchased cheaply????

[Jan43]

Hallo to both of you too....
Then you have not look hard enough in this Forum. I had decided not to share any more research, but since you are so adamant...then here you go. from a Berlin Firm apparently before 1943 due to the Firm stamp, isn't a RB.Nr.

To think that these jackets this "early" in the war shouldn't have come with straps that are made of the same material as the jacket would be highly unlikely.






Here does your boards go on Radek. Best Jan



Here for you Willi August 42. I´m just warning Radek(as I myself have been warned) to be careful with these as I have experienced numerous of times that wiser collectors talk things down, then to buy it cheap later for them self. What wrong with this??? Apparently trying to help is not received well in here