Collection of KM metal eagles and tally

[John R.]

OK, understand now. Thanks for the photos as those clear up what we should be looking for.

John

[Norm F]

A further illustration of the 1st and 2nd pattern eagles. IMO, initially the eagles were separate from the cockade - both first and second pattern. The combined insignia came later but when exactly is anyone's guess; as Eduardo says, so far we've seen only one posting of combined insignia using a 1st pattern eagle -- usually they're second pattern.

Best regards,
---Norm

[John R.]

Just a note to collectors, IMO never try to bend one of these needle attachments as it will probably break off from the eagle itself. Some of these needles are so bent you are tempted to bend it back into shape, but you are asking for trouble as they are very delicate in regards to the attachment point weld.

I guess with great care and the proper pliers, it could be done, but still a risk.

John

[Norm F]

Just a note to collectors, IMO never try to bend one of these needle attachments as it will probably break off from the eagle itself. Some of these needles are so bent you are tempted to bend it back into shape, but you are asking for trouble as they are very delicate in regards to the attachment point weld.

I guess with great care and the proper pliers, it could be done, but still a risk.

John

Hi John,

With regards to the bent needle on the reverse of my 1st pattern Tellermütze eagle, in hand it's apparent that this was an intentional "cork-screw" effect to facilitate a more secure attachment to the cap and to avoid the sharp point from poking down into one's forehead! A nice touch that increases its appeal to me as a worn piece.

Best regards,
---Norm

[John R.]

Another perfect reason not to mess with these old artifacts, you never know what the original sailor did to it.

However, I was mainly talking about pins that are now laying flat to the back of the eagle and the collector may try to bend it back 90 degrees to where he can put it in a cap or visor. Very dangerous IMO.

John

[pantherv]

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Hi all...here's a Tellermutze I picked up a couple of years ago. A very early one IMO.

I've scanned the eagle seperately for opinions.

[Norm F]

Hi Peter,

Excellent detail on that eagle. Better than most I'd say.

How wide is it wing tip to wing tip?

Best regards,
---Norm

[John R.]

Looks like the 5cm Tellermütze eagle.

John

[pantherv]

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Looks like the 5cm Tellermütze eagle.

John

49.66mm to be exact John and 20mm high

[amiklic1]

It was 50 for sure, look at the right wing on the reverse photo, it's been slighty bent upwards, which for sure shortened the eagle a bit ;-)