NCO Career Insignia

[Larrister]

Very impressive Michel. I have a long way to go.
Some of the more common insignias seem to be hard to find.
If anyone has something for sale let me know.

Here is what I have at the moment.

Cheers,
Larry

[amiklic1]

Great collection Larrister!

Keep on going

[Larrister]

Thanks.

Any chance this patch is a legit ww2 era one?

Cheers,
Larry

[amiklic1]

It looks strange but I would give it a thumbs up.
Would love to find it for my collection.

[Larrister]

Thanks for the thumbs up. I was wondering about the thick thread and the loose weave. Looks to have a manufacturing date of 3. 3. 23 on the back?
An early piece then? I remember seeing a discussion about this type of embroidery some years ago but I can't find the thread.

Cheers,
Larry

[amiklic1]

I am looking at it again, and it hase some similar details as newly reproduced insignia from Pakistan I am aware of.

They can produce very convincing items as they are also doing it by hand, so we need to be very cautious.

I would suggest something.
If you pour this insignia (or piece of it) into the clear water, there should be no sticky glue on the backing. If it is, I am pretty sure it's newly made Pakistani one.

On all new Pakistani insignia I saw recently, backing is glued to a cloth by some liquid glue which you can dissolve in water.

If possible to check, we will know more.

[Larrister]

Hi,

Thanks for your reply. I have not bought it yet. Like you I think it is a reproduction. Overall quality of this patch looks to be poor. I will pass on this one.

Cheers,
Larry

[vizenz]

Hi Guys,

your "reproduction from Pakistan" is an absolutely textbook early Piece. It's made like all late WW1 and early Reichsmarine pieces. And it bears also a textbook Navy clothing Depot stamp from 1923. It might not fit very well in a typical KM Collection, but that does it not make fake.

Best regards,
Andreas

[km-spain]

Agree, I like it, Larry if you are not interesting in it please send me the link to take it

[marine]

I agree.like it!

[John R.]

I am not aware of any evidence that the "M" designation career insignia was not worn after 1933.

My point is that it would fit into a KM collection if in wear anytime after the KM was established (1935).

I think there are examples of overlap between the RM and the KM, in uniforms and tallies for example, but as collectors, I think we generally think in terms of post 1933, not post 1935.

When the "M" went away would be interesting if somebody had the regulations.

John

[vizenz]

My point is that it would fit into a KM collection if in wear anytime after the KM was established (1935).

John

Hello John,

yes you're right. But a 1923 marked patch is not a typical booty for an KM insignia collector. That's what I tryed to say. No KM collector would put a boatswains patch from 1914 in it's Collection, only because the anchor style Looks the same like in 1945.

When the "M" went away would be interesting if somebody had the regulations.

John

The "M" was in use per Regulation till 31.January 1938.

Best regards,
Andreas

[John R.]

Thanks Andreas. What about the "V"?

John

[vizenz]

Thanks Andreas. What about the "V"?

John

That was replaced by the mercurian staff in 1934.

[John R.]

Excellent information. Thanks. John