PRINZ EUGEN muetzenband/tallie

[John R.]

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[John R.]

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[John R.]

From a different vet group:

[John R.]

reverse

[John R.]

I have other groups from US sailors, need to find them though to post. All cellon.

John

[John R.]

And this photo

[John R.]

I personally think the printed PE tallies were given out at reunions post war. I cannot prove it, but I have seen these printed tallies for Graf Spee for example.

In fact, the only printed tally I have ever personally examined (since I own it) was a POW tally, attached here.

John

[John R.]

Now, just because I think they are post war reunion souvenirs, does not make it so. Just my opinion.

John

[Fechtmeister]

John,
Thanks a lot for your very informative and detailed answer. IF it is of any interest, I could send you a picture of a printed tally to post it here..

Best regards

Fechtmeister

[John R.]

That would be great. I see you are a new member. Do you wish to email an image to me for posting?

John

[Norm F]

Excellent artifacts supporting the Cellon thread version.

Here's the small segment of the printed type posted previously by Markus here:
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...78#post3379178

Top: printed
Middle: Cellon
Bottom: cotton (for comparison purposes, not Prinz Eugen)

Unfortunately, no more details on the source of the printed version.

Best regards,
---Norm

[John R.]

You can see by the photo of the US sailor and German sailor, and I have others, that it did not take long for wartime animosity to disappear.

I honestly am not sure it would have been the same for Japanese sailors, but in the end, I think sailors working together have to get along or soon get along minus petty personality issues.

I know the US officers did not want the US sailors getting too friendly with the Germans, but I doubt if they could or even wanted to enforce that rule as time went on.

John

[John R.]

Well Norm, it is very possible that the German sailors printed them aboard Prinz Eugen as their supply of cellon tallies dwindled. Not a big deal except for one thing, where did they get a blank black ribbon?

John

[Norm F]

Markus also said in post #289:

"About Kreuzer Prinz Eugen.

The ship left Copenhagen on May 26 1945 and was in Wilhelmshaven until December 1945, some hundred meters far from the Marinebekleidungsamt. 7 months with best chance to get tallies for the crew, but if we read Schmalenbachs (I.AO on Prinz Eugen) book nothing in this matter happend. Just the message that this ship will set the U.S. flag in first days of 1946 brought KzS Reinicke to the idea to organize tallies with the name Kreuzer Prinz Eugen for the crew and to bring back the old flag pole which was given from board after commision into service.

Prinz Eugen left Bremerhaven on January 13, so she had just a week to organize the tallies! Producers were in Krefeld, Wuppertal, Weissenburg ..... at least a minimum distance of 300km. Impossible to get 200 or 300 woven tallies in that situation in January 1946 in Germany. But possible to get them printed from local hatmakers or other professions.

Best regards

Markus"

It's hard to tell from the post whether this description of a printed version from January 1946 was based upon documented fact or a supposition given the narrow time frame.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Marine HJ]

Good evening Chaps,

nice thread and fabulous photos posted by John!!! Outstanding to say the least.

I do not have the book of Schmalenbach but remebering having had read in it about ten years ago. I'm sure to remember something was said about printed tallies. I need to contact a fellow collector to help me in this matter.

Can someone please clarify

a) how many German sailors were evidently approved to make the sail across the Atlantic toi the US and
b) how many German sailors were approved to sail her throught the Panama Canal (it was new to me that ANY Germans were on board there, not to speak about 540+ from post #13 ...

Rgds

Daniel