SS Champagne in the Tropics

[nirvana]

Somehow no one has turned up the fabled and mythical "original" CR SS helmet. At this point comparing one CR to another is like comparing a fake to a fake. Of course they check out with one another using XRF, because they are the same pile of spray painted fantasy art.

[maui]

Without good close ups, it is hard to say. But I would agree with Jeff V. The one pic of the decal certainly looks like the rune on the left side has overspray typical of the champaign rune decal where the stencil didn't fit close to the helmet's shell.

I understand Marc...i don't believe this decal is paint however and has an elemental profile not indicative of paint..

Open for discussion of course

[jacquesf]

I understand Marc...i don't believe this decal is paint however and has an elemental profile not indicative of paint..

Open for discussion of course

So did a lot of collectors for long time. Until it was emphatically proved that it was paint and this was not proven from pictures on a forum. J

[Jean-Loup]

Who was responsible for analysing the elements in the decal? Is there some sort of report? Is there any evidence if them being reputable? Are there photos of the procedure being done?

JL

[jacquesf]

Who was responsible for analysing the elements in the decal? Is there some sort of report? Is there any evidence if them being reputable? Are there photos of the procedure being done?

JL

There is and it is very long and it was reputable. Nobody queries the findings of the analysis. Check on the Walhalla forum, lot of info there. J

[FrenchVolunteer]

Hi,

i don't believe this decal is paint however and has an elemental profile not indicative of paint..

Open for discussion of course

Can you post better pictures of the decal, please ?

If not, then this is like trolling the topic to discuss the sex of angels...

Also the fact that you missed the whole "Champagne rune debunking" is just unbelievable... Even more you confirm that your are a "believer" (check your reply). How can you be sure of what do you "believe" if you don't have the helmet anymore, and you can't post better pics to prove your point ?

To date, Kelly Hicks the official PR guy of the "Champagne rune scam/XRF" NEVER gave ANY proof that a real "Champagne rune decal" exists.
Not a single proof, despite it could be easy to do so.

This is ridiculous at best, and a confirmation of the scam at worse.

See You

Vince

[maui]

Hi,



Can you post better pictures of the decal, please ?

If not, then this is like trolling the topic to discuss the sex of angels...

Also the fact that you missed the whole "Champagne rune debunking" is just unbelievable... Even more you confirm that your are a "believer" (check your reply). How can you be sure of what do you "believe" if you don't have the helmet anymore, and you can't post better pics to prove your point ?

To date, Kelly Hicks the official PR guy of the "Champagne rune scam/XRF" NEVER gave ANY proof that a real "Champagne rune decal" exists.
Not a single proof, despite it could be easy to do so.

This is ridiculous at best, and a confirmation of the scam at worse.

See You

Vince

Did you undertstand I don't own the helmet...the pictures are clear I think...of course I read it...draw your own conclusion..who cares

[Willi Z.]

I am a SS decal novice, but I understand natural vs. contrived wear on most objects. Don't these two CRs appear to have exactly the same pattern of contrived wear? Despite that one is on rough paint and the other on early M35 paint? To me it appears that the same hand did the wear on both. As well as being the same pattern of runes.

I didn't add the arrows; they were on the image already.

[Bill Hermann]

From the pictures provided the edges of the runes in places are not as defined as an original SS decal and this could be caused by the template being slightly off the helmet surface.(especially on the course finish of a M40 or M42) It also has the classic
CR scratch that starts outside the decal area and finishes inside the decal, they always seem to have one of them. I used to look at CR rune helmets in SS steel and think gee the wear on that decal almost looks intentional. I also thought that no two CR runes graphically looked identical, now we know why.
I would be extremely interested on the story of this one being found in a French barn, maybe it was after spending some time first in the U.S.
All in my opinion of course,
Regards,
Bill

[Jeff V]

I agree Willi. Like an artists brush strokes on canvas the same fakers hand carves fake wear into fake decal.

[maui]

I am a SS decal novice, but I understand natural vs. contrived wear on most objects. Don't these two CRs appear to have exactly the same pattern of contrived wear? Despite that one is on rough paint and the other on early M35 paint? To me it appears that the same hand did the wear on both. As well as being the same pattern of runes.

I didn't add the arrows; they were on the image already.

Notice how different the composition looks. This picture speaks a thousand words IMHO. Totally different, you can see...Flat .....blah

its not about graphics , its about composition , unless the faker loaded up his paint with copper and other elements. These are different totally different.

I saw some of the best fake SS Pochers that came out of France, graphically perfect, but totally off of real SS Pochers...again composition. a real SS pocher has xx elements , fakes have typically x

Maybe this is fake , who knows. I have been fooled before

all I know is I humbly built a nice little collection and happy with it

but I was fortunate to analyze some of the greatest german helmet collections in the world .

[Willi Z.]

David, to me it is so blatantly obvious, and that was even while using a iPhone with no magnification. Now I am using a tablet and it is screaming at me. Honestly, I am not surprised you would disagree. There is nothing more I can say here....

[maui]

David, to me it is so blatantly obvious, and that was even while using a iPhone with no magnification. Honestly, I am not surprised you would disagree. There is nothing more I can say here....

Willi, the lower left rune is not even close as a comparison ??/

[maui]

Willi, the lower left rune is not even close as a comparison ??/

my collection speaks for itself, I am not here to argue or convince anyone of anything. It does not matter to me , most people here know the helmets I own , some may say fake , some may say real , it does not matter . life is too short to argue. I wish all the best .

I am simply telling you what I know.. BTW... do you want to know the secret element pervasive in most all original helmets...

[Willi Z.]

David, please....I thought you said "humbly built".

No, I don't need to know the secret element. I was asked to be part of XRF very early on, and I wanted absolutely nothing to do with that "process".

Good luck in your collecting.