RSI - Para Helmet

[Raffaello Carola]

the chinstrap sistem

[Raffaello Carola]

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[flashider]

1) Personally I follow with interest Marzetti’s opinions because has really a big knowledge on RSI helmets, specially FJ.
Mr Marzetti, thanks to share those photos from your archive and explain your point of view, is always appreciate from me and many others to learn more.
The M42 from West Point Military Museum and the M41 of the last photo posted have the same rivets, look at those, I would say more than 0,1%.

2) Maybe any faker you know who speak english can explain why that paint is fake and with all respect due to American or English collectors, this is an Italian helm, and you know that Italian paint was totally different from the german one.

Luca

Dear Luca,
Paolo don't say that this helmet is an original RSI period helmet.If he support this opinion, he can stop to collect italian helmets.
If an helmet is a museum's property don't means that is original.
Sincerely I think that is a fake.
Please stop to write stupid frase as "faker you know"....If you are happy to collect crap....Please don't write me any more messages asking help to judge helmets. I judge your words as offensive.

The paint during the RSI period is the same of the Germans my friend
A fake german camo helmet is similar to a fake italian camo helmet...

[Raffaello Carola]

another of liner

[flashider]

Raffaello,
thanks to showing us this nice example!

Stefano

[Paolo Marzetti]

Nice postwar piece Raffaello!Really useful in this thread.
@Well Stefano, I've not to convince you nor you have to convince me !
But you don't answer why an M.41 para helmet in a so clear and plain
photo of 1941, bears a domed vent rivet that should not exist according
to a well known school!
Faked the helmets at the West Point Military Museum ? Well, I hope you'll
have at least once the opportunity to see them there, and look also when
theM.42 para helmet has been collected there...!Every item is listed with the date of charge, the place where it has been found, etc.No problem.
However I'd be pleased also to know why the camo paint should
be a fake, just to help me and other collectors...

As a moderator,I invite in general to be quite in this thread and in all the threads in this section. I think no man wants to offend other people dealing with an helmet. Any idea expressed here is not the Holy Bible or the Coran,so it is fair to show every kind of impression with the intent to help, not to destroy, if possible with well documented proof. Thanks. PaoloM

[flashider]

The M41 helmet in the "period" coloured photo...has standards rivets for me.
But I repeat: USUALLY I don't judge helmets from black and white coloured photos.

The helmet of West point military museum appears to me as a big Disneyana helmet.If you can provide better photos, I am always ready to change my opinion

IMO the camo paint of the discussed helmet is artificially aged....If you have good feelings with it...Ask to the owner if he sell it to you....It's a rare camo para, don't loose the opportunity to get it!!

[Paolo Marzetti]

The M41 helmet in the "period" coloured photo...has standards rivets for me.
But I repeat: USUALLY I don't judge helmets from black and white coloured photos.

The helmet of West point military museum appears to me as a big Disneyana helmet.If you can provide better photos, I am always ready to change my opinion

IMO the camo paint of the discussed helmet is artificially aged....If you have good feelings with it...Ask to the owner if he sell it to you....It's a rare camo para, don't loose the opportunity to get it!!

Cheers, PaoloM

[Paolo]

Cheers, PaoloM

I have been quiet for a while and watched carefully what was going on. Somebody seems to like/dislike this helmet more than others. As Paolo M. was saying this is a nice venue where to exchange opinions and offenses must be avoided at all costs.
I hope not to be offensive but Paolo M. reputation and knowledge is well known amongst the collectors community and I am certainly more confident in relying on his opinion rather than the one of somebody I dont know. Challenging the opinion of such a fine collector and expert means either being very knowledgeable or arrogant. Also saying that the West Point Museum is full of MikeyMouse memorabilia is an interesting statement.
After all I believe that now everybody can make up his mind on this and come to certain conclusions...

Paolo

Lastly, I was forgetting to say that saying that Italian and German paint was the same and that the same camo schemes were used by both is self-explanatory of a certain level of knowledge...Just my two cents

[Paolo Marzetti]

For your files Paolo !That's a a well known photo of two Italian RSI paratroops
of the Nembo Bn with their helmets bearing two not crowned stencils on their
M.42s. The WPM obtained that from a 3rd US Div Officer, on April 3 1947, back from the Anzio/Nettuno area. Look on the right side a smaller badge and on the left side a larger one.Cheers, PaoloM

[Raffaello Carola]

As a moderator,I invite in general to be quite in this thread and in all the threads in this section. I think no man wants to offend other people dealing with an helmet. Any idea expressed here is not the Holy Bible or the Coran,so it is fair to show every kind of impression with the intent to help, not to destroy, if possible with well documented proof. Thanks. PaoloM

well done Paolo we have the "passion" of collectors with arguments!
unfortunately the opinions about this helmet are controversial but we have
the same opinion of an refurbished helmet and this is not an good sign for
an untouched helmet , this discussion born on e-stand because is an real
good idea (before to sell) ask opinions in the WAF community.
cheers, Raffaello

[flashider]

unfortunately the opinions about this helmet are controversial but we have
the same opinion of an refurbished helmet and this is not an good sign for
an untouched helmet , this discussion born on e-stand because is an real
good idea (before to sell) ask opinions in the WAF community.
cheers, Raffaello

I agree

[flashider]

The insigna of the Mikey's helmet appear to be greater...Not sure if the same
Don't be in bad feelings with me

[Luca Ongaro]

well done Paolo we have the "passion" of collectors with arguments!
unfortunately the opinions about this helmet are controversial but we have
the same opinion of an refurbished helmet and this is not an good sign for
an untouched helmet , this discussion born on e-stand because is an real
good idea (before to sell) ask opinions in the WAF community.
cheers, Raffaello

Raffaello that opinions are different is a fact.
I managed it and personally I am not totally convinced the nose guard is replaced or not original, look at the different pictures from mine and those posted by Paolo.
For me is enought, interesting thread, thanks all
Luca

[Luca Ongaro]

Last question Stefano, do you consider this a Disneyland fake liner?
Luca