My SS Dutch Proficiency Rune Badge in Bronze

[Robin Lumsden]

It's worth remembering that from its inception in November 1940, the Dutch SS was a formation of the NSB.

It didn't become part of the Germanic-SS (controlled by the Germans) until the autumn of 1942.

Any badges which actually made it into production would have conformed to Dutch and NSB manufacturing standards, not German ones. The NSB markings are, therefore, not something that can be discounted out of hand.

The article in Storm-SS speaks for itself.

I have never liked these badges.......................but the one posted at the top of this thread looks very convincing to me. Especially the hardware. I have to admit, I like it.

[WARLORD]

I have to agree with Robin,"The article in Storm-SS speaks for itself."THE ARTICLE SHOWS THE BADGE BEING INTRODUCED IN LATE 1941. This is when the organisation had muchly parted from the NSB. If the 120 hours required was implimented, then the award would have been at earliest late 1942. We have film evidence of the awards in late 1942 being that of the DRL badge. The next award is that of the Germanic proficeny badge.

[Kuifje69]

There is, as far I know, not one Dutch (NSB) badge or award marked with NSB on the back.

Also I found it very particular that the badge showed here and the one of Graig had the same number.

Also, the Dutch SS was a part of the NSB (formally) but they were like water and fire.



Best regards,

Rene

[martin3]

Any badges which actually made it into production would have conformed to Dutch and NSB manufacturing standards, not German ones. The NSB markings are, therefore, not something that can be discounted out of hand

All said contains truth, but it still leaves a question to me: why should this be the ONLY badge marked with 'NSB'.
They simply were not used to do so!
The original stamped Jeugdstorm sportsbadge was full with numbers, but no marking reads NSB.
The WA sportsbadge didn't have markings at all.
Every imortant pin reads a 'Stamboeknummer' but no NSB mark.

And Department XI marked their proud runen with NSB.
Just to remember Feldmeyer who was in charge?
I don't know...

A little point is that I would expect a different pin and hing system, but that is a weak defence.
Most (if not all) Dutch-made badges bear the same system.
This one differs completely.
Like the one from Coco in this thread, lowest picture.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=226443

And then this badge turns up, looking indeed very convincing.

I'll stay with my first statement: looks good, but I don't dare to say anything about it authenticity.
Although I have more cons than pro's.

Which is good in my case, as this saves money.

Best regards,
Martin

[martin3]

There is, as far I know, not one Dutch (NSB) badge or award marked with NSB on the back.
Rene

Oh darling, were we thinking the same?
Should that be a sign of the stars we should be together?

[Robin Lumsden]

If the 120 hours required was implemented....

[Robin Lumsden]

I have never liked these badges.......................

As I said, I have never liked these. I wouldn't want one in my collection. But the one that started this thread is the most convincing I have seen so far. Most are like the other one mentioned.

[WARLORD]

This the time requirement layed down by the original order. If you look at the proof book it clearly gives the time qualification.

[WARLORD]

Thus Robin," I have never liked these badges.......................but the one posted at the top of this thread looks very convincing to me. Especially the hardware. I have to admit, I like it." What is your considered conclusion?

[Robin Lumsden]

This the time requirement layed down by the original order. If you look at the proof book it clearly gives the time qualification.

Thanks, Chris. I'm with you now.

[Robin Lumsden]

What is your considered conclusion?

I like it..................but I would not want to have it in my collection.

[Robin Lumsden]

Here's one that doesn't need any further discussion..............

[Robin Lumsden]

And another junker. They've been faking these things in various shapes and forms for many years.

[martin3]

Here's one that doesn't need any further discussion..............

I like the Avegoor part...
That place is nowadays owned by my Union and I can stay once a year a short time over there if I wish to destress.

Maybe I will once.
So I can sneak in the basement and search for relics.
It ain't exactly the Wewelsburg, but maybe those TK rings are stored over there?

Best regards,
Martin

[Gregory Koepp]

Hello again,

well I got this one from Craig Gottlieb. the above member/dealer, from the link. I have no knowledge on this badge, but have believed them to be real issued award badges. Now I can see there is no proof that a "REAL ISSUED" one has been found??? I thought that these have been found from a Veteran with documented evidence of maker and so on??? I see now that I'm wrong......?

Not one has been found with a award Document or provenience??????

Who is a known expert on these? or could say one way or another??? I sure don't want a Known Rare award with so much controversy.


any help will be great, so I know what to do with this.

thanks to all your help so far guy's!!!


greg koepp