1st splinter patern Herr camouflage smock on Collector's guild

[andrew b]

the first one was made by 1944 militaria , this is a lost battalions

[andrew b]

this one is made by quarter mass

[andrew b]

s m wholesale

[andrew b]

this is the one on Bill Sheas site

[andrew b]

this one is made by Gigs

[djpool]

Hello Jim

as far as i know bleed through was a common factor on these smocks and even on the tan and water pattern that followed , the main reason for this post is because its all gone very quiet and at the end of the day its still my smock and iam trying all avenues to find its authenticity one way or another , I still need an web address of janke tailors or a picture of their smocks but here are a few repo ones i have found and theirs still no comparison
regards
andy
all help good or bad apreciated

Hi Andy,

The second pattern smocks were intended to be non reversible so bleed through wasn't really a problem. But the first pattern was designed to be worn as a winter camo too.

I've also looked at a lot of repro splinter patterns and haven't found one that resembles yours either. Jim

[Brian S]

Welcome to the club guys. Now you have to look as hard as badge collectors. But I believe you have it easier. There is so much fit and finish to a smock that the fakers will not get right. The upside is the in-depth features and understanding required to make an informed decision on a smock makes the hobby MORE fun for the guy who enjoys the details.

[andrew b]

Welcome to the club guys. Now you have to look as hard as badge collectors. But I believe you have it easier. There is so much fit and finish to a smock that the fakers will not get right. The upside is the in-depth features and understanding required to make an informed decision on a smock makes the hobby MORE fun for the guy who enjoys the details.

Hello Brian
welcome to what could turn out to be the most talked about topic and one way or another we need to find an answer as there are both positive and negative sides to real or repo , I must admit i have never seen a perfect text book example apart from jims and i dont think many other people have too , thats why this topic has gone a bit quiet because people dont know now . The smock in question i have seen 4 examples all the same one from the US , and 3 from here in the uk , what iam trying to find out is who made them IE reproducer and why only so few , and if a producer was going to fake them wouldnt he have made more and wouldnt they of been poping up all over the place
regards
andy
ps still has anyone got jankes web address or pictures of the belguim smock repos at the start of this topic
PPS sorry as well for keeping this topic going but if you were in the same position

[Laurence Strong]

Here's one on the Collectors Guild that he is asking for information on.



http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H31253.html

[andrew b]

Here's one on the Collectors Guild that he is asking for information on.



http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H31253.html

sorry Laurance,
Dont mean to sound funny but thats what all this topic is about the smock on the collectors guild ,

its doin my head in man 100 posts and still no answer
regards
andy

[djpool]

Welcome to the club guys. Now you have to look as hard as badge collectors. But I believe you have it easier. There is so much fit and finish to a smock that the fakers will not get right. The upside is the in-depth features and understanding required to make an informed decision on a smock makes the hobby MORE fun for the guy who enjoys the details.

Hi Brian,

I think most of us would rather defer joining, but it looks like we can't avoid it. The reproduction cloth items continue to get better all the time. jim

[Brian S]

Andrew, sorry but fake quantity is no guarantee it's not a fake or is a fake. I wish I had the interest in owning these because a friend of mine has a few different smocks he'd sell me but... They all seem to just have the 'feel' and look and quality that is evident in some but not all of the ones in the photos above.

[Laurence Strong]

Ooops sorry, Peter had just listed a request for help so I thought it was a new one not the same one

[andrew b]

Breakthrough

Iam sorry if iam rushing into things or jumping to conclusions but iam excited and i now know why i cant find another splinter pattern to match my smock after going through hundreds of photos , the reason is ,its not a splinter pattern ,its the MARSH 43 pattern but in differant colours and without the flffy edges , I have compared it to photos and my original marsh 43 winter parka and the pattern matches up 100% identicle but without the flffy edges .
I dont have a clue WHY , WHERE , WHEN they were done but have a look for yourselfs and compare patterns , I do know these smocks are rare ,but i might have stumbled on a complete new variation of pattern that might have been a trial or a one off print , Who Knows what happened 60 years ago , I have sent Werner and Peter an email along with these photos and check pages ,94,96,142,143 ,and lastly 259 of the camouflage uniforms of the german wehrmacht and see for your selfs , also the main picture of my smock on page 3 , compare it to these of my winter parka
please let me have yourcomments
andy

[andrew b]

pattern matches