Questions about 2 Heer uniforms (pointed collar M43 + wrapper)

[Maxoumilitaria]

Hi guys,

I was just wondering if someone can tell me more about the tunics worn by these soldiers:

1/
I see an M43 with a very pointed collar (like some SS tunics) and sewn-in shoulder boards (only the right one has a loop).

Does it directly indicates a tailor-made tunic or are they known productions with such collars? This soldier obviously cared about his look (early dark green collar tabs and shoulder boards, breast eagle...) so it would make sense. Now I'm not sure how many soldiers made tailor-made M43 as these were not the nicest looking tunic compared to earlier patterns.

2/
The wrapper and the cap have clearly different colours but the wrapper doesn't look black either. The collar tabs piping looks almost metallic (the reflection of the light is rather obvious) and the cap shows what could to be a Jäger (or Skijäger) insignia. At the end the aspect of the collar tabs piping is what intrigues me the most.

Thanks for any info you guys could bring in!

Cheers,

Max

[Maxoumilitaria]

Close-up of the collar tabs

[derka]

It could be the basket weave piping for the colar tab on the feldgrau wrap.
derka

[echoe]

wrap

what's on the left side of his cap?

[Maxoumilitaria]

It could be the basket weave piping for the colar tab on the feldgrau wrap.

Unfortunately the pattern on the photo paper doesn't let us see the structure of the piping but I also thought about that... Thanks!

what's on the left side of his cap?

Most likely a Jäger or Ski-Jäger insignia. Could also be a division insignia.

[OSS]

The M-43 almost certainly has a tailored collar. The wrapper collar appears to be within issue norms.

[Glenn McInnes]

I wonder if the M43 is actually a M44 with the front buttoned up...I can't see a hook and eye at the neck but maybe it is there (M43)







Glenn

[Johnny R]

The first tunic is very odd. It may indeed be a M-44. The eagle also is early.

[OSS]

I wonder if the M43 is actually a M44 with the front buttoned up...I can't see a hook and eye at the neck but maybe it is there (M43)







Glenn

I wondered if that was the case as well but I am leaning towards it being an M-43 for several reasons; the pockets seem shorter than most M-44s, the buttonholes more close together and while M-44s were intended to be worn open collared, the collar usually sits farther apart when closed.

[Johnny R]

Looking at it again I think it is a M-43 that was tailored. The boards are sewn in and the jacket look like it fits like a full tunic.

[Glenn McInnes]

I wondered if that was the case as well but I am leaning towards it being an M-43 for several reasons; the pockets seem shorter than most M-44s, the buttonholes more close together and while M-44s were intended to be worn open collared, the collar usually sits farther apart when closed.

Yes,most likely a M43...Kind of surprising considering all the early insignia used that he never had the modified collar faced in dark green.






Glenn

[Mike Davis]

It could be the basket weave piping for the colar tab on the feldgrau wrap.
derka

Absolutely

[Maxoumilitaria]

Thanks for all your answers !

[Paul Walmsley]

Are collar tabs different color to the shoulder strap piping on the FG wrap ?
Seem darker - but could be lighting