I guess I am at a bit of a advantage having had the tunic in question in hand and been able to examine fine details like stitching ect with a loupe. Good for me. Johnno.
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Originally posted by helmuthunter View Post
May i ask how many other EM tunics with original sewn TDBs you have seen?
Or do you compare the stiching with how other insignia is stiched on original tunics?
Please, no flamewar here...Comment
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Why is it so impossible for this to be on a EM tunic? This has been documented in period photographs. What is it can you tell me that looks / sits / appears wrong with the application of this particular TDB? Or is it quite simply that it is on a EM tunic? As these were hand applied the actual application of it comes down to the individuals sewing skills. What is the part of the application of this TDB how it sits ect that you don't like or is it just simply that it is on a EM tunic? Obviously it is different to factory machine sewn insignia and in hand and under a loupe it shows all signs of being on there since the war. How else do you get a piece of sewn on insignia to "sink" into the material it's attatched to? Or this this just a fakers trick? How in your opinion should it look, be sewn, how should it sit? You havnt shared that with us. Please explain how it should look, be sewn on, how it should sit with the material of the tunic it's attatched to? How should it be stitched on? These were items added by the individual soldier with individual sewing skills. Are there no period photos showing enlisted men having being awarded a TDB? I have seen them. Please tell me exactly WHAT IS WRONG with the application of this TDB. Regards, Johnno.Originally posted by Daniel.S View PostComment
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Hello Johnno.Originally posted by helmuthunter View Post
As EM tunics with original Sewn TDBs are quite impossible to find in todays market (but im sure someone has it) i thought maybe you have seen one and are judging this piece from experencie having seen one before. As it seems that you havent, all you can do it judge it from the sewing application and how its sits, right?
handsewing on insignia and aging it can be perfectly done, as i already told it takes 24 hours and you wont be able to tell 100%...handsewing on insignia with original thread is not rocket science.
So basically, there is no way to be 100% sure this TDB is original applied , right?
Or can you spot wartime handsewing?
Lets discuss...you dont need to send pictures of EM tunics in wear, ofcourse i know they existed, but almost none that survived the war, how can we know for sure when one pops up that it is original sewn? We dont have any known wearer, no pictures of it during the war, we infact have nothing exept a nice base original tunic.
Officer tunics on the other hand, they are quite more of them....but they are another story and lets stick to EM tunics.
//Daniel.Last edited by Daniel.S; 09-20-2015, 02:11 AM.Comment
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Hi Daniel. You can be as right as I am wrong and vica versa, it's a matter of opinion. But to say that no lower ranked tunic with a TDB added wartime survived the war doesn't sit with me. Rare yes. Non Existant. No. I can share the pictures I have here on this thread as it is a learning experience for all members here viewing this thread. It's not just about you and I. We can disagree yes. This tunic will be going to the Max very soon and will be shown around and handled by some better people in the business than you and I. I'm not silly mate. Something sewn on last week doesn't sit like something that has been applied 70 years ago. Or if it does, how so? Let's see what the consensus is at the max. Even then we may not agree. I guess this hobby is all about being comfortable with what's in front of you and the general consensus of those with experience in such. I do remember PVL once making the statement that no one can tell ever if something has been added war time or yesterday. I disagree. But that's my right. You have yours as well. Regards, Johnno.Comment
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Well if something is done proffesionaly, it is dificult to say when it was done as things are done with original threads and material and if someone realy wants to fool then they will do the job right. I'd say that this things didnt start 2 years ago,....but they were done already 40 years ago, so also in this period, things would look like if they were done 75 years ago. Uniforms are tricky and my opinion is that in such situation like this one, an individual has to decide for himself and naturaly public opinion needs to be taken in consideration. We have some mix opinions here and there is nothing wrong with that. The tunic was already in some good colections and went threw many hands for inspection so that is a positive thing in its favor. Based on all the comments I would give this tunic a
with a slight reservation on when it was put together.
Thanks guys for all your comments and I hope that this wont excaliate furthermore in bombarding one to another as i think that you all have a good facts for your comments and all should be taken in consideration.Comment
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Thank you very much for your thought out and polite response. Wise words indeed. We're all here for the same thing. Share knowledge and learn from one another.... Johnno.Comment
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Here is a well worn M36 tunic for an Infantry Stabsgefreiter with a Silver TDB sewn on - shown on the cover of the book BULLS-EYE.Comment
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Mr. Davis has this tunic at the Max. It is a splendid item in person and in my opinion and shows absolutely no signs of being anything other than how Mike describes it. My opinion is this thread does not do this tunic proper justice. That tdb is buried into the wool.Comment
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