Lets see some late war Tropical Heer Embroidered Breast Eagles

[Fred Green]

Hello,

Just saw this on ebay : http://www.ebay.de/itm/Schulterklapp...item1e992968f6 The eagle is pretty close.

Fred

[afrikasandman]

It is my opinion and I doubt it will be changed that this jacket was found stripped more than likly and someone in the 60s or 70s had the insignia and had them sewn on. It happened and its not that big of a deal but it is what it is. The eagle is clearly not the original bevo style that was one it when it was originally sewn and is a repro eagle. If it were say a hand done Italian eagle I could totally see it and wouldn't doubt it more than likly.

I applaud your efforts on being cautious, there was a cool cap that was posted here years ago that was/is a DAK cap with upgraded hand done Italian insignia. The owner cut the eagle off of it if I remember correctly because some people here said it wasn't right One has to be careful about the advice they take here. That all said the tabs are not ones I like and I doubt them to be original to it and the eagle is 100% replaced with a fake one. At the end of the day its only you and the person your looking to sell this to down the road that have to be happy with it. Its not period done in my opinion but its easily fixed. Matt

[vonStubben]

It is my opinion and I doubt it will be changed that this jacket was found stripped more than likly and someone in the 60s or 70s had the insignia and had them sewn on. It happened and its not that big of a deal but it is what it is. The eagle is clearly not the original bevo style that was one it when it was originally sewn and is a repro eagle. If it were say a hand done Italian eagle I could totally see it and wouldn't doubt it more than likly.

I applaud your efforts on being cautious, there was a cool cap that was posted here years ago that was/is a DAK cap with upgraded hand done Italian insignia. The owner cut the eagle off of it if I remember correctly because some people here said it wasn't right One has to be careful about the advice they take here. That all said the tabs are not ones I like and I doubt them to be original to it and the eagle is 100% replaced with a fake one. At the end of the day its only you and the person your looking to sell this to down the road that have to be happy with it. Its not period done in my opinion but its easily fixed. Matt

My thanks to you all and especially thanks for being civil while we figure this out.

I can now agree that the eagle is fake...I am very surprised that I haven't ever seen this style before, after all, I get around quite a bit. Were these eagles done in Europe? I never saw any while living in Germany or England. I have also been able to find the very few remaining needle marks from the previous bird. They evidently used a sewing machine to secure the top edge & the slanted corners of the wing tips, then I believe the rest was hand sewn as the needle marks end just at the lower wing. This is also the where the current bird was place so as to hide the stitch line from the previous bird. Whoever altered this tunic did it VERY well! I can also understand how if this was "restored" 40 years ago that the insignia looks so well seated.

[chrisftk]

Here's mine...

Very cool.

[NZMark]

Hello Charles,
Generally civility goes out the window in discussions when the owner of an item refuses to listen to reason when told disappointing news - that's why this thread has remained polite
Can you let me know the depot markings or date on this tunic, please?
Regards,
Mark
NZ

[vonStubben]

Unfortunately the markings are very hard to see but here they are:

[90th Light]

Interesting,

an example of same type of eagle on a KM tropical tunic that was not questioned at all;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=Tropical

Chris

[90th Light]

Couple of images of the tunic but there are more here;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=Tropical

Chris

[90th Light]

Fred Green discussed this type of eagle on this thread;

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=Tropical

Greetings Nick,

I have never be happy with this pattern of eagle. I had always considered them to be reproductions. The lack of definition in the embroidery and usually a edge trim. I have never been a fan of the tapering of the wings either.

I have had to reconsider my position after I saw this pattern of eagle executed in Heer colors on the very late war cheese cloth backing and on a felt material. The second eagle is machine sewn and then has had the edge hand sewn down. I believe they are the same pattern eagle. I will try and post the shot I have.

Given that I still can't say Yay or Nay to your eagle.

Fred

I notice that the WH tropical example on the tunic which started this thread is also embroidered "on very late war cheese cloth". Does not float my boat but this type seems to be a bit confusing to say the least,


Chris

[Fred Green]

Hello,

Thanks for posting this thread Chris. I have been studying this style of eagle for a while and believe that the original eagle in this thread is a reproduction. The KM eagle on the tunic on post #22 on this thread is a reproduction, the Km eagle in this thread http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=Tropical is a reproduction and the Heer enlisted eagle on dark green that I posted on that thread is a reproduction .

To me the DAK eagle that started this thread, The KM eagle on the KM tropical tunic(post #22 of this thread) and the embroidered eagle on dark green (post #5 of this thread http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=Tropical) are all one in the same eagle just executed in different colors.

That is just my opinion.

Fred

[90th Light]

Thanks Fred,

I agree the eagle in the top image of post number 24 which is embroidered into a cheese cloth backing and sewn on to a field grey HBT tunic is most likely an original.

All the rest on this thread are suspect to say the least,

Chris

[vonStubben]

Now that I have removed the eagle from this tunic,....what do you have to say about this?:


http://www.therupturedduck.com/C-068...ved-C-068a.htm

[90th Light]

Now that I have removed the eagle from this tunic,....what do you have to say about this?:


http://www.therupturedduck.com/C-068...ved-C-068a.htm

The Ruptured Duck have stuffed up,

Chris

[Fred Green]

I would say that it is still a reproduction eagle and would have to be a not to bright individual to purchase it!

I am really surprised that Bill would even have this on his site.

Here is another fine example of this same piece of crap for a little more: http://germanmilitariacollectibles.c...ified_ID=31684

And another beautiful example of this fine piece: http://www.svmilitaria.com/images/101006a.jpg Alas, but this won is sold. I wonder who the lucky collector was that purchased that Gem.

This crap is out there by the boat load.

Fred