The rarest recon waffenfarbe there is

[jacquesf]

In this thread there was quite a detailed discussion on the subject http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=352958

Here is list of units in Afrika and the Balkans: copied from C Evans list, Thanks. 1941-42.


Combat Troops Staff: Waffenfarbe

Generals---Color was Red.
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Color is: White.
Army Group Staffs. A.G's. G,E,F, Staffs.
Army Staffs. Army Group "A" 2,12 Staffs.
Armored Group Staffs. "Afrika."
Korps Stabs. 11th, 30th, 51st, 52nd, 65th, 68th, 69th, 91st.
Reserve Stabs. 59th.
Motorized Korps Stabs. 41st.
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Color is Pink.

Armored Army Staffs.
Armored Korps Staffs. 14,40,46.
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Color is: Light Green/Grass Green.
Gebirgejager Korps Staffs. 15th, 18th, 21st, 22nd, 46th.
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Combat Troops--Infantry:
Color is: White.

Infantry Division Staffs.
1st Airlanding (Luftlande) Div Staff.
Assault (Sturm) Division Staffs. Rhodes.
Infantry Regiments. 16 thru 750.
Grenadier Regiments. 754,755.
Reenforcement Bataillons.220, 598,599.
Afrika Division Staff. 90,999.
Motorized Infantry Div Staffs. 16, 60.
Motorized Infantry Regiments Staffs. 60, 92.
Motorized Grenadier Regiment Staffs. 120, 156.
Motorized Regiment Grossdeutschland.
Special Purpose Div (Div zbV) Staffs.
Special Purpose Rgmt (zbV) Staffs.
Fortress Division Staffs. 41, 133, Kreta.
Fortress Btns. 621,622,623.
Fortress Infantry Btns. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,16,18,19,20,21,22,99 9.1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,16,18,19,20,21,22, 999.
Reserve Division Staffs. 173,187.
Reserve Infantry/Grenadier Rgmts. 17, 45, 130, 231, 462.
Flak Btns.

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Color is: Light Green/Grass Green.

Machinegun Battaillons. 2,8.
Gebirgsjager Div Staffs. 1,4,5,6.
Gerbirgs Regiments. 13,85,91,98,99,100,141,143.
Mountain Reinforcement (Feldersatz) Btns. 91,94,95.
Jager Div Staffs. 42,100,104,114,117,118.
Jager Rgmts.25 thru 750.
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--------------------Various colors.
1 (Sonderverband) 288.
Brandenburg Btns. 1,2,4.
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Combat Troops-Mobile: (Schnell Truppen)
Color is: Gold-Yellow:
Mobile Div Staffs.
Motorcycle Recon Btns. 59.
Division Recon (Divisionsaufklarung) Btns. 42 thru 392.
Motorized Recon Btns. 3,5,8,9,33,40,231.
Mountain Recon (Gebirgsaufklarung) Btn. 33.
Div Fusilier Btns. 181,297.
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Color is: Pink.

Panzer Div Staffs. 1,2,5,8,9,10,11,14,15.
Panzer Regiments. 1,3,5,7,8,10,15,31,33,36.
Motorcycle Recon Btn. 61.
Armed Recon Btns. 1,3,10,59,90,164,220,999.
Panzerjager Btns. 33,39,90,190,334,605,999,52 thru 392.
Motorized Panzerjager Btns. 4,37,38,43,50,53,90,160,228.
Mountain Anti-tank (Gebirgspanzerjager) Btns. 47,94,95.
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Color is: Grass Green.

Motorcycle Recon Btns. 2,8,15,55,59,64.
Motor Rifle Rgmts. 2,8,10,11,13,14,28,103,104,106,110,111,155,304.
Mechanized Panzergrenadier Rgmts. 1,69,86,104,113,115,125,155,200,361,382,433.
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Color is: Light Green.

Light Infantry Div Staffs. 90,101.
""""""in Africk Staffs. 90,164.
Light Inf Rgmts. 200,361.
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Combat Troops--Artillerie:

Color is: Red.

Artillerie Rgmts. 33,75,155,220,334,999,83 thru 670.
Arty Btns. 361,653,654,661,668,670.
Reserve Arty Btns. 10,96.
Motorized Arty Rgmts. 4,33,74,80,102,116,119,148,160,190.
Gebirgsarty Rgmts. 79,94,95,118.
Panzerarty Rgmts. 33,73,90,155.
Assault Gun (Sturmgeschutz) Btns. 184,190,191.
Army Anti-Aircraft Btns. 299,302.
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Neberwerfer Btn 9. ---Bordeaux Red.
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Combat Troops--Pioneers:

Color is: Black.

Pioneer Btns. 5,71 thru 704, 220,334,900,999.
Reserve Pi Btns. 46,86.
Pi Kompanies. 704,713,714,717,718, (Rhodes).
Gebirgspioneer Btns. 54,91,94,95.
Panzerpioneer (Armored Engineer) Btns. 13,33,37,38,49,59,86,89,200,209,220.
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Bau Pi Btn. 85 Color is Light Brown.

Combat Troops--Signals:
Color is: Lemon-Yellow.

Signals Btns. 5,334,999,71 thru 392.
Signals Kps. 704,713,714,717,718 (Rhodes).
Reserve Signals Kp. 1087.
Gebirgenachrichten Btns. 54,91,94,95.
Armored Signals (PanzerNachtrichten) Btns. 4,37,38,77,78,84,85,90,190,200,220,341.

Color is: Yellow-Grey.
Propaganda Kps. Afrika,690,698,
Propagands Btn. Sudost.
Supply Troops:

Color is: Cornflower Blue.

Div Supply. 5,46 thru 887, 190,220,334,999.
Gebirgs Div Supply. 54,91,94,95.
Mot Div Supply. 4,61,66,82,85,160.
Armored Div Supply. 59,60,81.
Supply Btn, 533.
Mot Transport (Kraftwagon) Kps. 33 thru 999 and 4 thru 887.

Again thanks C Evans.

[galizien41]

Thanks OSS,
that what kind of baffelled me is why is the L21 in bau waffenfarbe for a Landesschutzen unit? early war construction unit attached to a Landesschutzen unit. I have only see previously white for the Landesschutzen units as a color used. are there more colors? kind of an aside to this topic.

You have a few rare slides there; one sees the "135s" and the "12s", part of the huge find in Germany years back, but not the "6" or the "L 21" or the "160". The "L 21" I would imagine to be a Landesschutzen unit.

[Johnny R]

I would guess even though it is a Gothic letter and should be Latin according to Angolia/Schlicht, the L 21 is for Landes-baubattalione/Landes-BauPionier battalion 21, Reserve construction battalion 21 formed in August 1943 in Wehrkreis VI in the Munster and Osnabruck area of NRW. That or it would be for a training construction battalion.

[derka]

Jerry,

light brown (not copper brown) was officialy adopted for Landesbaubataillone or Kp. : A.H.M. n° 214, february 27th, 1942.
black waffenfarbe was later officialy adopted for the whole branch of Bautruppen : A.H.M. n°783, october 11th, 1943.

Chris

[Johnny R]

Jerry,

light brown (not copper brown) was officialy adopted for Landesbaubataillone or Kp. : A.H.M. n° 214, february 27th, 1942.
black waffenfarbe was later officialy adopted for the whole branch of Bautruppen : A.H.M. n°783, october 11th, 1943.

Chris

Light brown continued to be used for POW and POW construction units until the end of the War correct?

[OSS]

Thanks OSS,
that what kind of baffelled me is why is the L21 in bau waffenfarbe for a Landesschutzen unit? early war construction unit attached to a Landesschutzen unit. I have only see previously white for the Landesschutzen units as a color used. are there more colors? kind of an aside to this topic.

I have seen a Latin "L" with number underneath in Bordorot (Bordeaux), definately not a "Lehr" unit (IMO) but possibly Landes-Gasschutz or Landes-Werfer.

[Schulterklappen]

Totenkopf Kragenspiegel

There are some beautiful pieces in this thread. Here is a gamut of colors in microcosm.

[OSS]

I have seen a Latin "L" with number underneath in Bordorot (Bordeaux), definately not a "Lehr" unit (IMO) but possibly Landes-Gasschutz or Landes-Werfer.

Of course the Landesschutzen seem to have used both "L"s interchangeably.

[derka]

Light brown continued to be used for POW and POW construction units until the end of the War correct?

Johnny,
AFIK, guards attached to Kgf.-Baubataillone, Arb.-Baubataillone and Kgf.Glaser-Bataillone (yes, glazier !!!) probably wore brown too untill may 1945, with a roman n° indicating their Wehrkreiss .

black color was allowed to Bautruppen for their technical achievements and their involvement in fightings, particulary during winter 1942/1943.
Bau- u. Strassenbaubataillone and Oberbaustäbe were mainly concerned by this order.
Landesbaubataillone were allowed to wear black waffenfarbe too, theoricaly using a latin "L" + arabic n° for unit id. on shoulder straps.

[Johnny R]

I have always thought the Latin "L" 1 boards were most likely used by Nebel Lehr Rgt. 1 and have not heard of Reserve Werfer units but it is hard to say for sure what they were used for I have a set I have been trying to post but the server is not letting me load the photo

[90th Light]

This thread certainly seems to have "opened a can of worms".

Here is a very important document captured by New Zealand soldiers in Africa.

NZMark has already put up this image on another thread. I am sure that the owner of this will not mind it being posted again to iron out some of the confusion.

As they say, "straight from the horses mouth",

Chris

[Johnny R]

I have seen that before as well and it is sort of a best case scenario outline that may or may not have been followed probably based on what they had on hand for insignia but it is certainly not just for trpoical units with GD and the Vienna guard battalion and schools listed on there and probably is taken from a standing order or Heer update sent out from OKH. The double asterisk note also indicates the cooper brown waffenfarbe was "suspended for implementation" I guess would be the translation probably meaning they wore copper brown and other colors in Auf Abt. units.

[Johnny R]

Okay, now it will let me post images, these are the other Latin "L 1" Bordo piped slides I mentioned above.

[OSS]

This list is likely the reprint of a German booklet obtained by Allied Intelligence which may or may not have been up to date. At any rate it identifies copper brown as solely for Aufklarungs while Kradschutzen are listed as wearing Wiesen Grun. We know for certain that Aufklarungs also employed pink and golden yellow, so rather than clearup all the confusion it has possibly added to it.

[OSS]

Okay, now it will let me post images, these are the other Latin "L 1" Bordo piped slides I mentioned above.

Nice straps and slides; though I have never seen a Latin "L" used for Lehr. There were however two Nebel Lehr units in the field. I once had a single loop in Bordorot with the traditional chain-stitched "L" for Lehr, with no number.