Is this tunic combination possible?

[Simon O.]

IMO the slip on nco 98 artillery regiment boards are a uninformed collector addition. Jacques

apparently they're sew in boards and the litzen are artillery red.

[derka]

acording the french author Eric Lefevre,

the "tradition fashion" to keep the eldelweiss althought transfered later into a non gebirgsjäger related unit was often done before, and this practice was forbiden in marsh 1941 (H.V.Bl. 1941, Teil B, n°219, marsh 29th 1941), as the wear of the eldelweiss was observed too in units serving in particular "cold" theater of operations like Norway.

the practice was forbidden again in november 1944 (H.V.Bl. 1944, Teil B, page 232, N°368 in date of august 8th, 1944).

but finaly, it was authorized in november 1944 (A.H.M. 1944, n°661 november 11th, 1944).

[OSS]

Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that the 98th Artillerie Rgt. was originally an Austrian unit. The Oberfeldwebel may have had some previous GJ affiliation.

[jacquesf]

It is a m36 tunic with pretty much early war insignia set up. I doubt it would have been a later war walking out tunic. Jacques

[OSS]

apparently they're sew in boards and the litzen are artillery red.

Straps appear to be slip-ons to me.

[CWP]

Straps appear to be slip-ons to me.

That is what I am seeing here as well.

[Simon O.]

acording the french author Eric Lefevre,

the "tradition fashion" to keep the eldelweiss althought transfered later into a non gebirgsjäger related unit was often done before, and this practice was forbiden in marsh 1941 (H.V.Bl. 1941, Teil B, n°219, marsh 29th 1941), as the wear of the eldelweiss was observed too in units serving in particular "cold" theater of operations like Norway.

the practice was forbidden again in november 1944 (H.V.Bl. 1944, Teil B, page 232, N°368 in date of august 8th, 1944).

but finaly, it was authorized in november 1944 (A.H.M. 1944, n°661 november 11th, 1944).

Bingo, that's what i was after, thank you very much.

I've seen the march '41 order repeated in unit archives myself.


Again, according to the seller the tunic is dated '41, the sales blurb says sew in boards, but i defer to you uniform collectors on that point.


So, we can say then that this tunic with it's insignia as is, would be perfectly legal as far as the rules go for the end war period and shows an oberwachtmeister in AR 98 of the 45 Grenadier Division (later volksgrenadier)

as the 45 GD was rebuilt in the summer of 44, specialists like a waffenmeister will have been draughted in from elsewhere and as it's home wehrkreis was XVII (ie. austria) it's hardly surprising a soldier from a gebirgs artillerie unit would get transferred.

As to whether all the insignia is original to the tunic..that's another matter.

[Johnny R]

Even with the regulations in place the GJ sleeve patch generally continued to be worn and was later allowed to be worn if some served in combat in a GJ unit and then transferred to another unit. I have a picture of a Nebelwerfer Ersatz training unit with one guy wearing and edelweiss who may have been wounded and no longer fit for mountain or active duty unit etc.

[Johnny R]

Simon, you posted when I did, I suspect it is okay, Senior NCOS were pulled from all over to form new units later in the War.

[Johnny R]

Here is another example and I posted what a GJ officer emailed me in #17 about the insignia being worn in other units

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=258620

[jacquesf]

Any thoughts on the Jager patch with the weapons specialist devices, or does the same principle applies? Jacques

[Johnny R]

Anyone assigned to a G-Jager or Jager unit was allowed to wear the sleeve insignia. A Weapons officer of that rank would be probably assigned to Division (or higher) level over-seeing maintenance and repair of weapons systems.

[jacquesf]

Anyone assigned to a G-Jager or Jager unit was allowed to wear the sleeve insignia. A Weapons officer of that rank would be probably assigned to Division (or higher) level over-seeing maintenance and repair of weapons systems.

Thanx

[madandi]

The Edelweiß is a Division-sign. Anyone in the GebDiv has it on the sleeve. Artillery, Pionier, Panzerjäger, Sanitäter, Transport and so on. So there is no problem with the Waffenmeister.
But i have no idea about the Oberwachtmeister. Number 98 Artillerie and the Edelweiß don´t match to each other.
Are there a heavy company in the GebJgRgt? Perhaps with some bigger guns?
So he can transfer from a GebAriReg to this heavy company, put the numbers on and keep his red color. I´m sure that some speciallists don´t wear the color of their regiment. Same in the Bundeswehr.

[NickG]

Great informative thread...This mix of insignia is interesting and I learned something new!
(former GJ men retaining their GJ oval as a commemorative insignia!)