The Nazis were colaberating with the vatican at the time. As i recall it is still scandalous. I have a russian priests christian cross i got from a german woman. So was this cross with the uniform...interesting how the omega is the ring at the top. Ive never seen any all silver crosses worn by any christian priests in any photos yet of the period...but maybe somebody has some cross photos during the war they can post....
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That cross has nothing to do with the German military. They were made for export and home country made use, both pre war and after..
The crucified Jesus over the skull and cross bones signifies Jesus victory over death........
A nice piece but you can find them at any good flea market here in the states $10 to $50 depending on size..Comment
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It should probably be pointed out, on the posted Nun's cross, that the round design on the back is the pierced heart of Jesus surrounded by a Crown of Thorns. On the front, the round design that's behind the head of Jesus is a Halo.Comment
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Originally posted by Gaspare View Post
I agree, these were imported on a large-scale and are fairly often seen in with variations.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=263602_263622
Here is a nice little book with information on the crosses and German Military Chaplains (and Axis).
http://www.amazon.com/German-Militar.../dp/0764321560Comment
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It’s not? Documents uncovered post war certainly show that after the war the SS had much help from the Vatican in obtaining false documentation after they crossed over the mountains into Italy. They were then taken to ports in southern Italy for travel to South American countries. They also had an odd bond during the war as the Vatican was worried about the possibility of Communism spreading though Europe and the possible effects on the Catholic Church. There are Cardinals in the Vatican that beyond a doubt that had ties to the Nazi’s both war time and post war. Some even say the Pope was silently supportive.Originally posted by Luciusdegeer View PostComment
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You confuse 'Odessa' with the Vatican. They just helped persecuted people, like they did in the war years for thousands of Jews. The 'odd bound' during the war years which you refer to was perhaps a remorseful SS officer (Kurt Gerstein) who informed the Vatican about the 'Endlösung'. Of course the Pope is guilty for not having used his 20 Panzer and 5 Airborne Divisions to prevent the Holocaust... Perhaps the ties to national-socialism and Italian fascism were the Papal letters in which he strongly condemned these 'pagan' ideologies because they opposed christian brother-love ('Mit brennender Sorge' and 'Non habbiamo Bisogno').
National-socialism and catholicism were like water and fire, as Himmler said on numerous occasions. Pope Pius XI was strongly against the New Order, his successor kept silent not because him was 'supportive' of it, but because he rightly realised that any actions against these ideologies would result in persecution of already more catholics.
And a link to the present: the main propaganda weapon of the Hitler-regime against the catholic church was accusing as may priest as possible of 'paedophilia'. Whether these accusations were right or not doesn't even matter... The confession father of Pope Benedict was right when he compared the present propaganda against the Church of Rome with propaganda against the enemies of national-socialism. It's the same mixture of lies, rumours and exaggerations. Of course child abuse is wrong and should be punished severely, but it's just like the above accusations (and the accusations of Benedict being a 'Nazi' for having been a Flakhelfer...). It's being misused for political reasons... And the people who use it are generally not hindered by historical knowledge...
Sorry, but your theories are so superficial and hollywoodesque that I couldn't resist to react in a thread that's really about chaplain's uniforms.
No hard feelings,
LuciusComment
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Wow we have a holly roller revisionist. Hey what ever works for you. So the documents found in Austria with names, places and maps were some form of propaganda against the Catholic Church?
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Hello, please take it elsewhere. Bill BourqueComment
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HI, I would love to see some more pics of the chaplains insignia and uniforms!!! The crosses are outstanding as well!!! More....more....
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Here is a Feldgeistlicher from WWIComment
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Great picture Naxos, my favorite is the Monk in his robes with the Imperial visor in the Chaplains book.
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Have a look at the Soldbuch picture of this Wehrmachtspfarrer
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...5&postcount=36
(courtesy of Ian Jewison)Comment
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Nice, I have a line on what may be a Vet bring back WH Chaplain tunic "A jacket for a priest with purple down the front" in another town but have not seen it yet. I am crossing my fingers.Originally posted by naxos View Post
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Compare the crucifix from post #1 to the one worn by this WWI Army PriestComment
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