Assault Gun collar tabs in wear by the 10th Panzer
Hello,
Below is a photo of a scale model of the Sdkfz 233's interior.
Christopher
Hello,
Below is a photo of a scale model of the Sdkfz 233's interior.
Christopher
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Michael,
Thanks for the input!
I would certainly believe the skull on twill example you mention to be field made - and why not?
Here are three more images of my tunic, concentrating on the tab, front and back. The skull has been re-enforced by a sewn thread - (added due to it's looseness when this tunic was initially found in the 1970's.)
The tab's grey wool flocking is worn down in the exposed areas, but still in place under the skull itself. Note how well seated it is into the collar on the rear image, and the wear to the highlights.
The lack of lower pockets is easily explained - this tunic was more often worn tucked in to the trousers than not, and snagging on hatches is avoided at all costs when worn out. The waist sinch is a very logical field addition.
One of my favourite tunics.
Chris, Tim, Thanks to you both for continueing the search and digging up more facts - let's all see where this goes!
Tim,
Ralph's SUPERB tunic's piping appears lighter on my monitor than my black and white version of red piping - but then the lighting etc is completly different
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Over-all Shot.
This thread is not about this tunic (so I won't highjack it) but if anyone has another example of a tropical tunic with Pz or StuG tabs, or period photos of tunics with them in wear, PLEASE, let's see it? I missed out on a period photo two weeks ago of one, so if the winner is a member here can you please post a low resolution image of it?
Regards,
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Hi Mark
Agree that Ralph's outstanding tunic's tab piping is just a bit lighter from photo than yours, Your tabs are on the sage green tunic and his tunic is more tan so the background and lighting are not the best comparison. Its really hard to draw conclusions from B & W photos about the various shades of red to rosa waffenfarbe was my minor point.
Also should look at the 2nd Pz Div TO & E in Greece for any STG units attached or the SP ART as well. Would be very interesting to pin your tunic down to it or the 10th Pz.
Would like to hear more comments on the tab application of your tunic and and the pockets sewn down makes complete sense getting in and out of a STG.
Was done on Pz crewmans tunics so why not this one...noticed your tunic has the smaller version of the upper pockets denoting its early to mid '41 timeline originally.Comment
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Tim,
I have photos of Pz crew members in Africa with their 1st pattern tunics tucked into their trousers, which must have been incredibly uncomfortable - but then better that than burning to death trapped in a hatch because your tunic caught on the way out....
Well spotted on the breast pockets! No markings left, though, so I can't place a maker or date of issue.
Here's an old photo showing a comparison of tunic twill colours. The 1st pattern on the left has it's lower pockets sewn flat for exactly the 'easy access' purpose we are discussing.
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Hello,
WOW! Seeing so many BEAUTIFUL DAK tunics together is enough to send shivers down my spine.
Here's a great link on the many vehicles (incl. panzers) utilized in Afrika:
http://www.afrikakorps.org/german.htm
Photos of each at the bottom of the pade.
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Mark, I think it is terrible you would soak all those summer tunics in tea. Shame on youOriginally posted by NZMark View Post
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Fighting Compartment - Sd Kfz 233
Hello folks, here is a photo of a captured Sd Kfz 233.Comment
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Fighting compartment - Sd Kfz 233
Here is the clip from the film. This same firing segement appeared in the B/W film strip I mentioned of the Sd Kfz 233.Comment
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Hello to all,
I have a video clip of an Armoured car unit in action in North Africa. This clip clearly shows 221, 222 & 233 with this unit going up a road and into action.
Clearly one can see a range of collar patches being worn; Panzer black backed, Panzer field grey backed, Panzer skull pushed through the tropical collar and the regular tropical collar.
No doubt about it, Panzer collars were worn on the tropical tunic in Africa.
Anyway stay tuned because "ebony" is in front of the TV right now both swearing and taking images from this DVD so we can post some shots.
Judging by his comments not an easy task,
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Johhny,Originally posted by Johnny R View PostMark, I think it is terrible you would soak all those summer tunics in tea. Shame on you
You've lost me?
Michael, the vehicle always HAD to be an open topped pattern, so I don't think a StuG was feasable
Great Photos - and we look forward to ebony's posts as I've heard about this clip but not seen the footage...
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Totenkopf tabs on Tropical tunics
Mark,
I do believe your tunic with the field grey Totenkopf tabs was possibly worn by a member of either Sturmgeschützbatterie 242 (13. Batterie in Panzerartillerie-Rgt. 90 equipped with 6 StuG Ausf. F) or a member of the Panzerbeobachtungsbatterie 90. The rest of Panzerartillerie-Rgt. 90 in DAK was all towed guns.
I once years ago passed on a photo album (FOOL!!) that belonged to a member of Panzerbeobachtungsbatterie 90. In Russia they were all wearing the black Panzer uniform and in Afrika there were lots of shots of their Sd Kfz 250 SPW but no clear uniform shots as I recall except the black Panzer Feldmützen.
Tomorrow (if I can find the book) I'll post some more photos of DAK troops wearing Tropical uniforms with either Tropical base TK or field gray base TK collar tabs.
Best regards,
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