M36 Tunic - Excellent example

[ObltKG4]

Here's a great example of an M36 with Ostfront and EKII ribbon.
Try to identify rank, quality, grade and manufacturer.
Anyone want to make an quesstimate?

Tunic:
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/5171/tunic.jpg

Markings:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/1325/tunicstamp.jpg

Breast Eagle and Ribbons:
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/651...eandribbon.jpg

Collar Tab:
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8747/collarg.jpg

Shoulder Board:
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/9...ulderboard.jpg

[Brendan Hunt]

The jacket itself is a reproduction made by the firm "Sturm".

[ObltKG4]

Can you tell me how you arrived at this?

[Brendan Hunt]

The shortness of the button holes, the size and spacing of the belt hook holes, and the overall basic schematics of the jacket.

Here are Sturm jackets being sold as a reproductions:

http://www.atthefront.com/g_uni_M36.htm
http://www.hessenantique.com/M36_Tunic_p/ha18713.htm

[matthias_AC]

i agree with brendan, sturm-copy!

[R.Howard]

The shortness of the button holes, the size and spacing of the belt hook holes, and the overall basic schematics of the jacket.

and the annoying off white top stitching. I can get sturm tunics for $40 a piece at the local surplus store....I assume the thread would fade on a original, but on an unissued/ hardly used, wouldn't it retain a bit of field grey colour?

[m1steelpot]

The shortness of the button holes, the size and spacing of the belt hook holes, and the overall basic schematics of the jacket.

Here are Sturm jackets being sold as a reproductions:

http://www.atthefront.com/g_uni_M36.htm
http://www.hessenantique.com/M36_Tunic_p/ha18713.htm

Gotta back up Brendan on this one. It's a Sturm tunic through and through.

[ObltKG4]

Take a few moments to review the following:

Upon closer inspection of the Sturm, 'At the Front' image of the tunic, on the inside of the collar does not reflect the stitching of mine (image link below). Also, look at the linked images I've added to thread. See the stitching, remembering that the exact color is not represented in the image due to lighting, et cetera. All this not to mention the 'smell of the coat' is 'old'.

The rear image I've linked and that of the Sturm copy (labeled At the Front on Sturm page) are completely different. Let's also keep an open mind for a minute when critiqing this jacket. You can not possibly believe a factory in operation 70 years ago could possibly manufacture with absolute 100% consistency when mass producing tunics.

Please review add'l photos and give me your thoughts.

I'd like to contest this is not a sturm copy. Give me your arguments.

Rear bottom:
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4166/rearbottom.jpg

At the Front inside of collar stiching:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8...sidecollar.jpg

Button 1 and Button 2:
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/2228/button2tz.jpg
http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/4191/button1b.jpg

Front above lower pocket, see stiching:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/444...bovepocket.jpg

Collar tab and shoulder:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/292...abshoulder.jpg

Inside collar tab:
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/9...ecollartab.jpg

Button hole stitching:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6...estitching.jpg

Ribbon Stitching:
http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/8...nstitching.jpg

Pocket Medal Hooks:
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/5...medalhooks.jpg

In a kind light, I want to challenge your 'expertise'
Thanks,

[Steve Sherlock]

Could you post the actual pictures instead of the links? Since it's image shack, it shouldn't be a problem, and much more convenient for those reading the thread.

I just looked at the very first photo, and in all the years I've collected combat tunics, I've never seen one like this where, when buttoned, part of the pockets are covered by the front flap, as this one.
Steve

[Johnny R]

Please post a picture of the underside of the collar.

[ObltKG4]

Johnny, it was posted under

At the Front inside of collar stiching:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8...sidecollar.jpg

[ObltKG4]

Hi Steve,
Not quite sure I understand what you're asking. The images are posted on Imageshack. I can't post the image without providing an http:// link, which in effect would be no diffent than all the images I've posted on Imageshack. If I've got it wrong, let me know.

Not sure what you mean when you talk of the pocket 'flap'. I invariably find this to the opposite. Every pocket covers the top of the underneath pocket -at least partially. Can you be more specific...
Thanks,
David

[Johnny R]

Johnny, it was posted under

At the Front inside of collar stiching:
http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8...sidecollar.jpg

So regardless of the title that is actually your tunic not the "At the front tunic inside collar stitching"- take a look here at image 4-

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=379716

[ObltKG4]

My tunic is http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/8...sidecollar.jpg
It is not what respondents agreed was the same as the 'Sturm'. The 'Sturm' is completely different, which is why i posted a comparision to it 'insidecollar.jpg' is not the same as the
sturm manufacturing.
If you look at "your" linked image, the rear stitching is way off from mine. the horizontal stitch is bloody obvious. Please take a closer look prior to posting.

[Soldat de Fer]

Hello
I do not know why you are insisting ??? the tunic shown in your links is indeed a sturm repro !!! , please , do take a look in the bazaar section , on the Estand , someone is selling a sturm repro there , same as yours .
Regards
P-Y