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    #16
    Hallo!

    As staded by Jos before, and Bill after (I agree with), is very difficult to say if that kind of jacket have fought or not. Lw pilot have dress estensively that kind of garment that take from the private tailoring. I'm more confidential with the jacket with french hardware (eclair zip as probably Jos jacket, french made for sure), than the others, because lots of the leather jacket the pilot whore in war became from the french's seller, take as the France was occupated. That's true, also german made jeacket was worn, with german harware, but don't have to be that the descriming. Leather jacket was sewn with wartime hardware long after the WWII ending. Myself have found lots of 50s production, some made also by prominent wartime producer, as SrtiWa (Striegel & Wagner), all with prym and RiRi hardware.
    In recent time that jacket (that the france guy call 'cycliste'), have reach lots of worth, too much for me, when the difefrence among a combat-use jacket and a civilian one, is made only by the regalia is sewn on ( and can be easily sewn )!!! The problem is: if in Iraq your troops wear a civilian made windproof jacket, with the only different made by the army patchs sewn on, the same stuff buyed in a Kansas City store, is 'original'? It worth as the other? The same thing is for the 'cyclist' jacket!
    Parrothead jacket have the front zip remplaced (the only thing that can be remind to the luftwaffe, and could be put on for upgraded the item). How did you say if it was used by luftwaffe guy? Is too easy put on an eagle and shoulders strap loop for make a wartime stuff!
    IMHO doesn't came from the own of a LW pilot.

    Excuse me for my nasty english, but hope you understand me!

    Cheers, Frank savage

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      #17
      Originally posted by jacquesf View Post
      The only way to authenticate these leather jackets and be comfortable with it being a pilots jacket, is to look for the wear and scuff marks that would be typical to this jacket being used in an aeroplane and not a driver of an motorcycle or car. Look for marks left by the seat harness, parachute, elbow operating the joystick etc. Jacques Ps, In my opinion this is not a pilot jacket that was use for that purpose.
      This thing is on Ebay right now for a "buy it now" price of $1800, with the following commentary:


      "There are WEAR MARKS on the shoulders from the PARACHUTE HARNESS."
      "Beat that for genuine!!!"
      NEC SOLI CEDIT

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        #18
        Third Reich Depot has sold a very similar one, but with a French main zipper, not a Ri-Ri. Look here:


        http://65.160.172.250/uniforms/uc093.html

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          #19
          Hi, Ramjet!

          As stated below, the french hardware should be not a bad thing, due the jacket the lw have got as war booty, after the french capitulation. In some stages of WWII is easy see LW pilots wearing that kind of jackets. Hartmann wear it, so Priller, Graf, and so on. Some of that guys, at the time of battle of france and britain, wear also the mountain french suede jacket. Just to add...

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            #20
            I know, Frank, I have such a French jacket in my collection, the classical one with Eclair zippers and the little waist buckle. I just intended to show a second jacket of the kind in question in this thread and the differences.
            Last edited by RamJet; 12-18-2008, 04:36 AM.

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              #21
              Ok, Ramjet, I have understand what you're meaning! Excuse me!

              Cheers!

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                #22
                leather jacket

                Would, any body have picture from french advert or book from before or after the war, showing ,jackets for sale or being worn. I think some of the jackets came with leather trousers, this might help with slight changes, in style like pockets, zips shape, ect.

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                  #23
                  Here's a nice period image of such a jacket, worn as late as 1944. Note waist buckle and tan uberfallhoBen (Luftwaffe tropical pants) with large thigh pocket! Not exactly flying gear! Also of interest the ball shaped zipper pull which was a popular accessorie at the time (compare with Jos' jacket in post #12)
                  Photo credit as marked!
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                    #24
                    For those who want to search a little for German WWII pics: The Bundesarchiv has put 100,000 pics online via Wikipedia (see photo credit from the post above).

                    Here is the link:

                    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca...ederal_Archive

                    Have fun!

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                      #25
                      Major Günther Specht and Prof. Kurt Tank:











                      Specht wears leather trousers, but not the classical French style jacket.

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