Left Facing Heer Eagle

[Fred Green]

Greetings All,

On another forum a member alluded to a left facing,as we look at it, Heer breast eagle. I collect Heer cloth and I have never seen or heard of this eagle before. I would very much like to see one or see some period photos of one. Are these issue eagles? Is there a regulation telling of these eagles? Were they private purchase? When were they worn and by whom?

This intrigues me very much. I haven't collected for long but I have never seen a reference or photo of the above. Any help in the above quest will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Fred Green

[Diane]

Left Facing Eagle

Hi Fred,

This could have been a very early Heer eagle - I know that the first Heer belt buckles had the eagle facing the other way.

Civilian judges wore a left facing eagle on their robes.

Cheers,

Diane

[Fred Green]

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Greetings,

I would believe that this would be an early eagle. I have never seen a Heer left-facing cloth breast eagle and I would like to see one. Al P. gave me two links off this forum:

Panzer eagles- http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...d.php?t=137828
Judges eagle- http://wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=65345

Following construction techniques and patterns I believe that the second eagle posted on the panzer thread might be an early panzer eagle due to its skinny body pattern. I believe that the other eagles are patterned off of the later eagle and are for some other service such as postal or railroad.
I understand that some swords and beltbuckles have this left-facing eagle in their design. I am interested in this left facing cloth Heer breast eagle. I believe that there were left-facing eagles from other branches/services worn as Heer eagles but I don't believe that there was a standard left-facing heer Breast eagle. Remember that this is my opinion and only an opinion!.
Knowing of the large and vast array of knowledge and information within this forum I would love somebody to post some pictures or some eagles. I would love to see any reference to this. Thank you.

Fred Green

[90th Light]

Hello, I have picked up one of these left facing silver bullion on black wool eagles in from a second hand dealer who claims to have got it from a veteran.

My belief is that they are Justice Corp, Political, or Naval Justice. I do not think they are Panzer or WH.

What sort of eagle did qualified justice officials wear I do not mean judges but the various ranks of justice staff under a judge or court officials who handle the administrative work of a court.

This sort of personal would be a form of qualified civilian specialist or a even a lawyer which would explain the use of bullion in their eagle to express an officer equivalent rank reflecting their technical or degree/masters/ Phd level qualification.

Mine is a lovely frosted type silver bullion. The type of thing you would find on a dress or walking out uniform. Seems different to my WH bullion eagles but closer to my Naval Administration sleeve badges.

For me having one in hand it just does not say Panzer and every time I see another one they are always facing the left. In fact you see more of these facing the left rather than the right. I am happy however that they are period but relate to a certain branch which has not yet been fully identified,

Chris

[Fred Green]

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Chris,

Thank you for expressing your opinion on these eagles. Could you post a scan or photo?

Anybody else out there have an opinion on these or have a photo of a left facing Heer eagle in wear? I would love to see the photo and hear the opinion. Thank you for the input so far.

Fred Green

[Al P]

Here is the LINK to the original thread in the police & org forum if anyone is interested.

While you are there please give your thoughts on the eagle Soviet posted in post 1, as the thread has somewhat been highjacked with the adler direction subject.


Al

[Fred Green]

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Al P. ,

I am sorry I forgot to post the original thread where the discussian started on this forum. I actually posed the questions to another forum member on another forum altogether. Again thanks for the original thread.

I really like the eagle posted by Soviet. I would not mind having that in my meager collection.

Fred Green

[Tim Curley]

Left-facing BE

If you look at page 228 of our book WAFFENROCK, you will see a good example of a hand-embroidered, bullion breast eagle which is facing left. The uniform upon which it is sewn is a waffenrock for a General Staff Major.

Although not common, early Army hand-embroidered or machine-embroidered breast eagles facing left are occasionally encountered.

[90th Light]

If you look at page 228 of our book WAFFENROCK, you will see a good example of a hand-embroidered, bullion breast eagle which is facing left. The uniform upon which it is sewn is a waffenrock for a General Staff Major.

Although not common, early Army hand-embroidered or machine-embroidered breast eagles facing left are occasionally encountered.

Well, I have no problem if these do turn out to be early Panzer facing the wrong way. That has to be more desirable than some sort of Justice official. I have learnt however to err on the side of caution. Several of these eagles seem to have turned up recently which raises some questions from an unissued lot being found to a possible new fake emerging ? I will hunt my one out and arrange to have some images posted for further discussion, Chris

[Fred Green]

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Greetings,

Tim- I don't have a copy of your book,yet! It looked super from the reviews. Could you post a photo of this eagle?

Most of the Left facing eagles I have seen are bullion and hand embroidered.This means to me tailor made. So the chance of of picking up this eagle due to lack of having the correct eagle eagle on hand is possible.

I would love to see any period photos of this left facing eagle in wear. I would really love to see an EM with one on his tunic!

Again, any help is greatly appreciated.

Fred Green

[Fred Green]

Eagle

Greetings All,

This is the eagle that Tim Curly talked about in the above post. He believes that it was from around the 1935 period.This I can see especially if it was early 1935 and it is a bullion hand embroidered piece.But what about BeVo pieces? Shouldn't we be seeing more of these if they were produced for the army.
By manufacturing BeVo insignia I would expect that they were making them in the thousands and not 40 or 50. I have a couple of pictures of a panzer beret with a BeVo pattern left-facing eagle that came from a forum member and was posted on another site.(If you would like me to Remove these images I will).
Does anybody else have any of these BeVo left facing Beret eagles. How about tunic eagles? How about any other color? I have noticed that whether we talk bullion or BeVo left-facing eagles that all of them are on black! Were there any produced for the Landser?
I am still interested in any period shots of these eagles and I would love to see any other BeVo example either on the loose or attached to tunics or headgear. Thank you to all who have had input. Thanks again.

Fred Green

[Fred Green]

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Here is another example, on the loose sent to me by Tim Curly. This example is on black

[Fred Green]

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Here is the photo of the Beret with eagle.

[Fred Green]

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Here is a closer view of the eagle

[Fred Green]

Eagle

Greetings,

I would really like to see some of these loose cap and tunic eagles.

Fred Green