Generalmajor Dietrich Beelitz Uniform on ebay

[Johnny R]

Here is a more clear image from a still, this was US General Gruenther explaining procedures for the surrender process to officers of German Army Group C. Note the collar tabs-.

[paulj]

I don't have a Duden handy but to my knowledge, "Juno" is really only used in spoken German to differentiate and avoid confusing it with "Juli." One can also say "Julei" or "Julai." It's typical to use Juno and Julei if communicating information on the phone or in a similar situation.

In the same manner, one says "zwo" instead of "zwei" to avoid confusion with "drei."

I have never seen "Juno" written in contemporary German. Again, the usage is for verbal clarity. I suppose it's possible a military tailor could have used "Juno" as it's the ancient name of the month. It refers to the goddess, Juno, the mother of Mars, the god of war. However, if you have to grope for that rationalization, there'd better be more provenance, proof and merit for the uniform itself.

[BudgetCollector]

That "Druckschrift" on the label (handwritten part) looks very odd for being German.

[Silberkreuz]

Hi All,

All this seems to be a complete Minefield. Totally agree if a quality tunic came up for sale it would sell quickly to another collector, as stated,either by a phone call email etc.

By the way the some French tailors used blue wool for the Generals Adlers/ KM as to Von Choltiz's tunic, commander of Paris. ( sold at Auction on Herman H)

Regards SK

[Silberkreuz]

Hi All,

All this seems to be a complete Minefield. Totally agree if a quality tunic came up for sale it would sell quickly to another collector, as stated,either by a phone call email etc.

By the way the some French tailors used blue wool for the Generals Adlers/ KM as to Von Choltiz's tunic, commander of Paris. ( sold at Auction on Herman H)

Regards SK

http://www.hermann-historica.de/db2_...auktion-2.html. ( Heer)
Lot no. 7626

[JasonA]

Totally agree if a quality tunic came up for sale it would sell quickly to another collector, as stated,either by a phone call email etc.

Not making any comment on the piece displayed here. But, nice things have always been - and will continue to be - available everywhere and anywhere...from the nicest dealers to the most untrustworthy...from high end and new collectors...at large and small shows...from newspaper ads and antique stores...etc.

Nice things often sell with just a phone call, but I think it's a good idea to be open to any source. You never know where the next acquisition will stem from.

J-

[Adam S.]

I wonder what ever happened to Frank Grant? I was burned by him once.

He is still peddling his fakes at the Toronto Military Shows. I almost got ripped off by him a couple of years ago but I was able to make a return.

By the by - I believe this tunic currently resides in a top posted collection in the collection showcase section.

[jacquesf]

This tunic was discussed in depth in two or more threads here, one of the most scrutinized pieces out there. In the end it passed scrutiny, which I as a previous owner where very comfortable with. J

[Dennis S]

Tunic is right as rain except for restored eagle and a badge loop . It came right out of the woodwork. I still regret trading it off years ago.

[Dennis S]

[QUOTE=Adam S.;6779141]He is still peddling his fakes at the Toronto Military Shows. I almost got ripped off by him a couple of years ago but I was able to make a return.


Old Frank really screwed up and sold a couple of original items at the Max.😱😂

[tgn]

I don't have a Duden handy but to my knowledge, "Juno" is really only used in spoken German to differentiate and avoid confusing it with "Juli." One can also say "Julei" or "Julai." It's typical to use Juno and Julei if communicating information on the phone or in a similar situation.

In the same manner, one says "zwo" instead of "zwei" to avoid confusion with "drei."

I have never seen "Juno" written in contemporary German. Again, the usage is for verbal clarity. I suppose it's possible a military tailor could have used "Juno" as it's the ancient name of the month. It refers to the goddess, Juno, the mother of Mars, the god of war. However, if you have to grope for that rationalization, there'd better be more provenance, proof and merit for the uniform itself.

Listen to Paul on this, he knows what he is talking about.

Tom

[TWS]

I don't have a Duden handy but to my knowledge, "Juno" is really only used in spoken German to differentiate and avoid confusing it with "Juli." One can also say "Julei" or "Julai." It's typical to use Juno and Julei if communicating information on the phone or in a similar situation.

In the same manner, one says "zwo" instead of "zwei" to avoid confusion with "drei."

I have never seen "Juno" written in contemporary German. Again, the usage is for verbal clarity.

Agree. The U.S. Army does some similar tricks to avoid confusion in radio and telephone communications. For the number nine, we say "Niner" and for the number five we say "Fife" etc.

Even German civilians commonly use "zwo" in place of zwei, but again, it's verbal communication and not written.