100K Euro Eagle

[oldflagswanted]

more info ???

#85 eagle, 5k plus fees
That beauty thing will fetch up
its from the 4.Div 2nd Brigade ...

Hello RH:
Interesting Napoleon-III Model 1860 eagle.
Any further info available? Venue & photos?
OFW
(below) Model 1860 details front/back.

[Robert H]

Its coming up on Herman Historica auction, its from their flyer.
Starting 5k

[oldflagswanted]

Thanks !!!

Its coming up on Herman Historica auction,
its from their flyer. Starting 5k

RH:
Thanks for your further info reply.
Also thanks to WAF member Richard
for PM on Roman Eagle sold at 30K BPS.
OFW

[Robert H]

there are always items where I think I should have started to collect them staight on over 30 years ago

[oldflagswanted]

about hindsight & current buying ???

there are always items where I think I should have
started to collect them staight on over 30 years ago

RH:
Yes indeed, as the old saying goes hindsight is 20/20.
And yet some buyer remorse may still occur with this
30K BPS said to be Ancient Roman Legion VII eagle.
As I asked the auction house if the Roman eagle had
been X-Ray spectrum tested for any zinc content, and
they replied "No". If it has zinc it is a modern made fake.
IMO it was foolish to pay 30K BPS for an untested eagle.
OFW
(below) Some of my eagles, & the £30K sold Roman bird.
For more on Roman Army Standards see WAF t=892101.

[jizillii]

Originally Posted by oldflagswanted

Just received a snail mail letter from an old friend with this cited
as contained in the book "Stalingrad: Memories & Reassessments",
pp 96-97, "We were then advancing on Moscow almost on the
exact route march of Napoleon. My division crossed the Berezina
at the identical spot where the desparate battle of retreat had
been fought so long ago. There, by the hamlet of Studyenka, not
far from Borisov, our engineers found the traces of Napoleon's
bridge and one of his eagles in a swamp." I wonder where this
eagle is now?

This pole top (M1804) of unknown regiment was found in 1963, now in Borisov Museum. It has replica cloth (hardly it belonged to 44th IR).

[jizillii]

Part of Russian trophies (Hermitage, с.1962)



Pole tops of 146th Infantry (29.08.1813, Löwenberg in Schlesien, captured by 28th Jager regiment) and 1t Cuirassir (18.10.1812, Tarutino, captured by Sysoev Don Cossac regiment). Cloth of 127th Infantry was found in 1826.

[oldflagswanted]

Thanks !!!

This pole top (M1804) of unknown regiment was found in 1963,
now in Borisov Museum. It has replica cloth (hardly it belonged
to 44th IR).

Thanks for posting the found M04 eagle.
Likewise, the 44th replica flag is superb.
OFW
(below) Photos repeated on WAF server.

[oldflagswanted]

Thanks again !!!

Part of Russian trophies (Hermitage, с.1962)
Pole tops of 146th Infantry (29.08.1813, Löwenberg in Schlesien,
captured by 28th Jager regiment) and 1t Cuirassir (18.10.1812,
Tarutino, captured by Sysoev Don Cossac regiment). Cloth of 127th
Infantry was found in 1826.

Thanks for posting the Hermitage trophies.
Unit identity & capture information is appreciated.
OFW
(below) Photos repeated on WAF server.

[jizillii]

Originally Posted by oldflagswanted

Likewise, the 44th replica flag is superb

Unfortunately, original cloths of them lost their colors, back in the 19th century. Now they have a terrible dirty yellow color.

You can see the modern condition of the cloths and this vile color in this Russian-language reportage from the Kazan Cathedral:

https://topspb.tv/news/2016/10/6/res...ora-reportazh/

[oldflagswanted]

Interesting link ...

Unfortunately, original cloths of them lost their colors,
back in the 19th century. Now they have a terrible dirty
yellow color.
You can see the modern condition of the cloths and this
vile color in this Russian-language reportage from the
Kazan Cathedral: reportazh/

Interesting link, thanks !!!
OFW

[jizillii]

Also I found a photo of modern condition of original 44th Infantry flag (captured in Battle of Berezina).
Its condition is...

[oldflagswanted]

Nice to see ...

Also I found a photo of modern condition of original
44th Infantry flag (captured in Battle of Berezina).
Its condition is...

Nice to see in any condition, again thanks !!!
OFW
(below) Photo repeated on WAF server.

[jizillii]

Also an example of the restoration of the regimental flag (148th Infantry from Borodino Memorial).
It was captured by 28th Jager regiment 29.08.1813 in Battle of Plagwitz near Löwenberg in Schlesien.
By the end of the 19th century, original colors were lost, the fabric was dirty yellow. The cloth was restored three times - in 1912, 1956 and 1970. By restoring, the tricolor was completely renewed. The lost original elements (numbers, letters, patterns) have not been restored.

[oldflagswanted]

Number of eagles ???

Also an example of the restoration of the regimental flag (148th Infantry from
Borodino Memorial). It was captured by 28th Jager regiment 29.08.1813 in
Battle of Plagwitz near Löwenberg in Schlesien. By the end of the 19th century,
original colors were lost, the fabric was dirty yellow. The cloth was restored
three times - in 1912, 1956 and 1970. By restoring, the tricolor was completely
renewed. The lost original elements (numbers, letters, patterns) have not been
restored.

Thanks for the nice museum display view.
Interesting about the multiple restorations.
Wondering about the number of eagles in
museums vs. private collections - not many
likely in either case.
OFW
(below) Photo repeated on WAF server.