who made the flags ???

[Thomas Craig]

Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland

If anyone has a RKF made by this manufacturer would you be so kind as to snap a picture of the stitching at the bottom corner of your flag and send to me or post here. I have two flags that have no manufacturer mark but exhibit an across stitch pattern with three diagonal stitches as well as the usual rows of stitching along the entire bottom edge, in this case not 5 rows as you usually see but only 2rows. No stitching on the sides. I have reviewed this entire post and can only find one manufacturer whose flags have the same pattern. The maker is Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland.

Both are naval marked. One is 50x85 and the other is 80x135. Both made of fine thin wool with square reinforced patches in the upper corners. Both are 2nd pattern.

Thanks!!

[oldflagswanted]

SS-LAH DE Standard

................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 01-06-14 update, real count=54 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 53(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection,
toured the USA in the 1990's WW2 Thru Russian Eyes Exhibit.

[Thomas Craig]

If anyone has a RKF made by this manufacturer would you be so kind as to snap a picture of the stitching at the bottom corner of your flag and send to me or post here. I have two flags that have no manufacturer mark but exhibit an across stitch pattern with three diagonal stitches as well as the usual rows of stitching along the entire bottom edge, in this case not 5 rows as you usually see but only 2rows. No stitching on the sides. I have reviewed this entire post and can only find one manufacturer whose flags have the same pattern. The maker is Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland.

Both are naval marked. One is 50x85 and the other is 80x135. Both made of fine thin wool with square reinforced patches in the upper corners. Both are 2nd pattern.

Thanks!!

I guess no one owns one of these flags.

[oldflagswanted]

Police DE Box Fragment...

................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 01-06-14 update, real count=54 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 53(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment.

[Thomas Craig]

I guess no one owns one of these flags.

Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland


C'mon guys....just need to see the stitching on a flag from this maker. Can anyone provide a photo?

[oldflagswanted]

&quot;wmtf&quot; #30 &amp; 30b

Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland ...need to
see the stitching on a flag from this maker. ...

#30b in "WMTF", RKF 100x170cm, maker Kurt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. I. Vogtl.
(above/below-2) From 2010 WAF t=442400.

(below-3/4) #30 in "WMTF", in this case Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland,
from now long deleted WAF e-stand sales thread t=540459, with same across
fly corner edge stitching, but this example being a 150x250cm size. Both Kurt...
& Curt... are IMO valid WW2 period maker markings. OFW

[oldflagswanted]

and another ...

Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland ...just need
to see the stitching on a flag from this maker. ...

...and another seen elsewhere online, "maker named Curt Brautigam from Plauen, Vogtland,
in the German state of Saxony. The edge of the flag is marked with his name and an eagle, swastika
and M mark as well. The flag measures 150 centimeters by 250 centimeters" ... $675 USD
OFW

[oldflagswanted]

and yet another ...

...and yet another ..."Reichkriegs National Battle Flag,
marked R.Kr.Fl.150X250, maker marked Curt Brautigam
Plagen, Vogtland." ... $750 USD
OFW

[Thomas Craig]

Photos...This is the 50x85 flag. Both flags are in meters.

My one flag...the other is a 80x135 (Photo at post #210). The across stitch pattern on the smaller size flags made by this manufacturer (i.e. the 100x170 in your photo) does seem to be somewhat consistent. At this point all I can say is:



Thanks once again OFW for your most valuable input.

[dmels]

Fake flags with real manufacture names?

Does anyone have any knowledge of known fake flags out there where a real manufacturer name is stamped on? Take this example, #4 on OFW's list is . "Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)"

With this example, does something seem off with the header, rope, and rope attachment? Or is it just me. I just can't make a decisive call on on this in terms of authenticity. Does this flag look authentic or not to you guys?

All opinions appreciated.

[oldflagswanted]

RKF comments ...

...any ...known fake flags out there where a real manufacturer
name is stamped on? ...With this example, does something seem
off with the header, rope, and rope attachment? Or is it just me. ...
Does this flag look authentic or not ...All opinions appreciated.

Hello dmels:
IMO most fake flags with real marker looking markings are
seen on black SS Lager flags. The RKF you are asking about
IMO is a WW2 period made original, based on header edge
railtrack pattern, reinforced corners, extra edge stitching,
material color and weight, and valid period header markings.
On this RKF, what may be looking wrong to you is the bright
white looking rope in mint never used (unsmashed down)
condition. IMO rope appears to be a correct thicker type.
*OFW*

[dmels]

IMO most fake flags with real marker looking markings are
seen on black SS Lager flags...what may be looking wrong to you is the bright
white looking rope in mint never used (unsmashed down)

Thanks a ton OFW. What you said makes perfect sense. The fakers seem to get really sneaky on the SS stuff from what I have seen. The rope is exactly what was throwing me off. When I looked at the rest of the flag everything was seeming to check out, but I kept looking back on that bright rope that was in excellent shape. Thanks again for your opinion, and the list in this thread that you are working on is a magnificent reference!

-dmels

[Thomas Craig]

IMO that is a late war example of a Johann Liebing flag manufactured in the Sudetenland. I have an earlier example on E -Stand that I just withdrew. Look at the difference on the ropes and stitching.

[oldflagswanted]

Thanks, plus list #3e update

Thanks a ton OFW. ...the list in this thread that
you are working on is a magnificent reference!
-dmels

Hello dmels:
Always nice to be appreciated. OFW
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 01-27-14 update, real count=54 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 53(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) 3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, 1/65 date... WAF t=716477
(below-2) NATO #8345-12-120-6330, (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477

[oldflagswanted]

Fk15d exact markings update

Hello kb:
Thanks for pointing out another fake example, in this case
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
-------------------( 01-27-14 update, real count=54 )------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
3d. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, *glaser, but after WW2,
real, but reported as Flottenstander from Officer of Bundesmarine
S-boat P6089, and used in the 1960's.
3e. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn Postfach 344, red bevo lettering on
white sewn on label, stamped 1/65 date & NATO #8345-12-120-6330,
*Von Thronstahl (Geschw.stdr.) from WAF t=716477
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F. vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabr: Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
..... G.FL, Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
.....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
.....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
40. Mare Island Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
..... A.-G. Königsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
43. Fahnen Werkstätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
..... Markneukirchen, tag, *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
.... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.
47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
51. Fahnenträger, *XxAmilcaRxX, (RKF 200x335cm) t=666238
52. Fahnen-Walter Auerbach I.V., tag, *flatlander, (HJ) t=675770
53. Berlin Max Küst tag, 11x16, *OFW, t=675831 (NSFK Pennant)
54. Textilindustrie G.Bukiet Litzmannstadt, *OFW, (RKF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag),
....38(tag), 44, 48, 49, 52(tag), 3d(after WW2 tag), 54.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b,
....31,39(tag), 47, 53(tag).
E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50, 51.
------------------------[ Other ID Means ]--------------------------------------
Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
....... pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)
Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
....... 1932 or 1933 in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
......... like #91-OFW* pole top collection.
Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
....... Munchen, (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
....... *inimicus, (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
------------------[ Reference Threads ]-----------------------------------
References for Ot4 (Army), Ot10 (NSKOV), etc., ...
German Army pole tops, modern, 3rd Reich, & Imperial ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=672535
NSKOV veteran tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=679569
DAF & NSBO tops ...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=681726
SA, SS (fake & real), NSKK, NSFK, tops...
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=680849

--------------------------[ Fakes ] ---------------------------------------
Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
--------> Note: ALL 60x90 FLAGS ARE FAKES, see t=694529 <--------
Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
Fk3b. Fake RKF, 90x150, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk3c. NMN Fake SS, 60x90, *TonyS, t=675999 (SS bolts on black)
Fk3d. Fake RKF, 90x145, Reichskriegsfahne on some, *OFW, t=671639
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk4b. " with NS Soldatenbund fake marking, *OFW " from t=509449
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk7b. NSKK M-76, " Modern Japan made, *jmcm, from t=580774.
Fk7c. NSKK Berlin, Modern Japan made, *Buhrkall, from t=669490
Fk7d. Hermann Göring Standard, Modern Japan made, *OFW
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, *kb, SS-Lager (SS on black)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
-----------[ Original Chain Stitched & Other Pennants]----------------
See http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=504179
and http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256210
--------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/2+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *ex-DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln), 1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze [1]
S27. II/38, "Alpenland Graz", odd fringe, 2p swastika, *HH [2]
S28. III/100, "Richenburg", 2nd pattern, *OFW post #177 t=414513
(-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
Note [1] = See originality concerns in t=414513 post #157 OFW
Note [2] = See originality concerns in this thread post #241 OFW
-----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *ex-CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
DE2. SS-LAH, Moscow Central Armed Forces Museum Collection, *OFW.
DE3. Police DE metal box plate fragment, *hutten, WAF t=411408
SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
******************************************
.......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
(below) Fk15d. 60x90, M9/26, DIENSTFLAGGE, SS-Lager, from t=718026