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    SS III/6 Strumbannfahne

    S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
    ............................... All feel free to add more. ..........................
    -----------------( 05-04-12 update, real count=48 )------------------
    1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
    2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
    2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
    2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
    3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
    3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
    3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
    4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
    5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
    6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
    7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
    8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
    8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
    9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
    10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
    11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
    12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
    .....might be #10 or #11?
    13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
    14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
    15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
    16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
    17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
    18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
    19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
    20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
    21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
    22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
    23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
    24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
    25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
    26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
    27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
    27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
    27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
    28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
    29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
    29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
    30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
    30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
    31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
    32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
    33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
    34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
    35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
    36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
    37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
    .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
    38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
    .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
    39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
    ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
    40. Mare Island
    Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
    41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
    ..... A.-G. K
    önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
    42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
    43. Fahnen Werkst
    ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
    ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
    *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
    44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
    .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
    45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
    46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
    ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

    47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
    48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
    -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
    A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
    B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
    C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48.
    D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
    E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
    Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
    ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
    Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
    ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
    Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
    Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
    Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
    ....... pennants)
    Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
    Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
    Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
    Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
    Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
    Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
    Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

    Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
    Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
    Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
    .......
    1932 or 1933
    in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
    ......... like
    #91-OFW* pole top collection.
    Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
    ....... Munchen,
    (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
    Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
    Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
    Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
    Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
    Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
    Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
    Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
    Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
    Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
    Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
    Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
    Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
    Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
    ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
    Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
    Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
    Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
    Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
    Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
    Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
    Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
    Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
    Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
    Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
    Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
    Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
    Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
    Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
    Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
    ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
    Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
    Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
    Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
    --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
    SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
    S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
    S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
    S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
    S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
    S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
    S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
    S7. III/55, *walker flag book
    S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
    S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
    S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
    S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
    S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
    S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
    S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
    S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
    S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
    S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
    S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
    S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
    1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
    S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
    S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
    (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
    ******************************************
    .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........
    (below) S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
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    Last edited by oldflagswanted; 05-25-2012, 08:05 AM.
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      SS-SBF I/17 update ...

      S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
      ............................... All feel free to add more. ..........................
      -----------------( 05-27-12 update, real count=48 )------------------
      1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
      2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
      2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
      2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
      3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
      3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
      3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
      4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
      5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
      6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
      7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
      8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
      8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
      9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
      10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
      11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
      12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
      .....might be #10 or #11?
      13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
      14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
      15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
      16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
      17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
      18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
      19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
      20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
      21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
      22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
      23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
      24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
      25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
      26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
      27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
      27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
      27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
      28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
      29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
      29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
      30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
      30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
      31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
      32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
      33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
      34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
      35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
      36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
      37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
      .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
      38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
      .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
      39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
      ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
      40. Mare Island
      Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
      41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
      ..... A.-G. K
      önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
      42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
      43. Fahnen Werkst
      ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
      ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
      *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
      44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
      .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
      45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
      46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
      ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

      47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
      48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
      -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
      A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
      B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
      C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48.
      D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
      E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14.
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
      Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
      ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
      Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
      ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
      Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
      Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
      Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
      ....... pennants)
      Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
      Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
      Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
      Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
      Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
      Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
      Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

      Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
      Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
      Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
      .......
      1932 or 1933
      in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
      ......... like
      #91-OFW* pole top collection.
      Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
      ....... Munchen,
      (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
      Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
      Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
      Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
      Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
      Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
      Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
      Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
      Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
      Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
      Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
      Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
      Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
      Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
      ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
      Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
      Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
      Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
      Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
      Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
      Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
      Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
      Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
      Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
      Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
      Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
      Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
      Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
      Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
      Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
      ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
      Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
      Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
      Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
      --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
      SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
      S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
      S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
      S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
      S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
      S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
      S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
      S7. III/55, *walker flag book
      S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
      S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
      S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
      S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
      S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
      S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
      S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
      S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
      S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
      S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
      S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
      S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
      1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
      S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
      S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
      (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
      ******************************************
      .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........
      (below) S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF

      sigpic
      .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

      Comment


        #23 RDF update ...

        Maker #23 RDF update, example from WAF t=607913.
        ............................... All feel free to add more. ..........................
        -----------------( 07-15-12 update, real count=48 )------------------
        1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
        2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
        2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
        2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
        3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
        3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
        3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
        4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
        5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
        6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
        7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
        8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
        8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
        9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
        10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
        11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
        12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
        .....might be #10 or #11?
        13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
        14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
        15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
        16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
        17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
        18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
        19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
        20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
        21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
        22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
        23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
        24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
        25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
        26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
        27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
        27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
        27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
        28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
        29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
        29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
        30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
        30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
        31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
        32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
        33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
        34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
        35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
        36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
        37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
        .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
        38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
        .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
        39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
        ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
        40. Mare Island
        Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
        41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
        ..... A.-G. K
        önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
        42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
        43. Fahnen Werkst
        ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
        ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
        *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
        44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
        .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
        45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
        46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
        ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

        47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
        48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
        -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
        A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
        B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21.
        C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48.
        D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
        E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14.
        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
        Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
        ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
        Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
        ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
        Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
        Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
        Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
        ....... pennants)
        Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
        Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
        Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
        Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
        Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
        Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
        Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

        Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
        Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
        Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
        .......
        1932 or 1933
        in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
        ......... like
        #91-OFW* pole top collection.
        Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
        ....... Munchen,
        (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
        Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
        Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
        Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
        Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
        Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
        Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
        Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
        Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
        Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
        Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
        Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
        Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
        Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
        ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
        Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
        Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
        Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
        Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
        Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
        Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
        Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
        Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
        Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
        Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
        Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
        Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
        Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
        Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
        Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
        ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
        Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
        Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
        Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
        --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
        SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
        S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
        S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
        S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
        S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
        S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
        S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
        S7. III/55, *walker flag book
        S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
        S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
        S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
        S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
        S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
        S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
        S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
        S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
        S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
        S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
        S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
        S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
        1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
        S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
        S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
        (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
        ******************************************
        .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........
        (below) Maker #23 RDF update, example from WAF t=607913.

        (below) superb 50x85cm RDF example, WAF t=607913.

        sigpic
        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

        Comment


          #17 update, rarer RKF pattern maker

          Maker #17 rarer trans pattern RKF example, WAF t=607599.
          ............................... All feel free to add more. ..........................
          -----------------( 08-18-12 update, real count=48 )------------------
          1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
          2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
          2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
          2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
          3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
          3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
          3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
          4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
          5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
          6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
          7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
          8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
          8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
          9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
          10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
          11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
          12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
          .....might be #10 or #11?
          13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
          14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
          15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
          16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
          17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
          18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
          19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
          20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
          21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
          22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
          23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
          24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
          25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
          26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
          27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
          27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
          27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
          28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
          29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
          29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
          30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
          30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
          31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
          32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
          33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
          34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
          35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
          36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
          37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
          .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
          38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
          .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
          39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
          ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
          40. Mare Island
          Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
          41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
          ..... A.-G. K
          önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
          42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
          43. Fahnen Werkst
          ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
          ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
          *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
          44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
          .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
          45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
          46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
          ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

          47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
          48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
          -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
          A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
          B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
          C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48.
          D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
          E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14.
          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
          Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
          ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
          Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
          ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
          Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
          Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
          Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
          ....... pennants)
          Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
          Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
          Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
          Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
          Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
          Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
          Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

          Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
          Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
          Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
          .......
          1932 or 1933
          in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
          ......... like
          #91-OFW* pole top collection.
          Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
          ....... Munchen,
          (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
          ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
          Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
          Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
          Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
          Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
          Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
          Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
          Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
          Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
          Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
          Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
          Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
          Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
          Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
          ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
          Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
          Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
          Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
          Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
          Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
          Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
          Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
          Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
          Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
          Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
          Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
          Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
          Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
          Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
          Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
          ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
          Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
          Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
          Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
          --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
          SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
          S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
          S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
          S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
          S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
          S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
          S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
          S7. III/55, *walker flag book
          S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
          S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
          S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
          S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
          S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
          S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
          S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
          S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
          S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
          S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
          S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
          S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
          1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
          S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
          S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
          (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
          ******************************************
          .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........
          (below) Maker #17 RKF trans pattern WAF example ...

          (below) RKF pattern examples...
          Last edited by oldflagswanted; 08-18-2012, 09:45 AM.
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            Update, maker #49. Fahnen-Oster Köln

            Maker 49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
            ............................... All feel free to add more. ..........................
            -----------------( 08-21-12 update, real count=49 )------------------
            1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
            2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
            2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
            2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
            3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
            3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
            3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
            4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
            5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
            6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
            7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
            8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
            8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
            9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
            10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
            11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
            12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
            .....might be #10 or #11?
            13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
            14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
            15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
            16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
            17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
            18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
            19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
            20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
            21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
            22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
            23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
            24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
            25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
            26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
            27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
            27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
            27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
            28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
            29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
            29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
            30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
            30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
            31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
            32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
            33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
            34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
            35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
            36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
            37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
            .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
            38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
            .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
            39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
            ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
            40. Mare Island
            Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
            41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
            ..... A.-G. K
            önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
            42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
            43. Fahnen Werkst
            ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
            ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
            *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
            44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
            .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
            45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
            46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
            ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

            47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
            48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
            49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
            -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
            A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
            B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
            C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
            D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
            E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14.
            ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
            Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
            ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
            Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
            ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
            Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
            Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
            Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
            ....... pennants)
            Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
            Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
            Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
            Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
            Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
            Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
            Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

            Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
            Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
            Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
            .......
            1932 or 1933
            in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
            ......... like
            #91-OFW* pole top collection.
            Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
            ....... Munchen,
            (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
            ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
            Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
            Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
            Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
            Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
            Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
            Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
            Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
            Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
            Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
            Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
            Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
            Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
            Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
            ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
            Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
            Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
            Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
            Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
            Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
            Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
            Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
            Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
            Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
            Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
            Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
            Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
            Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
            Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
            Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
            ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
            Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
            Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
            Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
            --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
            SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
            S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
            S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
            S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
            S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
            S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
            S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
            S7. III/55, *walker flag book
            S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
            S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
            S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
            S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
            S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
            S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
            S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
            S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
            S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
            S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
            S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
            S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
            1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
            S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
            S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
            (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
            ******************************************
            .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........
            (below) 49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
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              Here's a tough one. It's a party flag that is about 4'x8'. The marking is real hard to see. Looks like Warmbetriobe? Ha Ha!










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                One more.









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                  Warmbetriebe ???

                  Originally posted by Jim's Militaria View Post

                  Here's a tough one. It's a party flag that is about
                  4'x8'. The marking is real hard to see. Looks like
                  Warmbetriobe? Ha Ha!

                  Hello JM:
                  Suspect the flag has a property stamp to a
                  Warmbetriebe plant, rather than to a maker.

                  OFW
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                    Thanks OFW!




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                      SS-SBF info update ...

                      List S-7 (SS-SBF III/55) sales info update per 2004 WAF t=59249.
                      ............................... All feel free to add more. ..........................
                      -----------------( 10-23-12 update, real count=49 )------------------
                      1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                      2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                      2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                      2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                      3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                      3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                      3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                      4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                      5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                      6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                      7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                      8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                      8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                      9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                      10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                      11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                      12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                      .....might be #10 or #11?
                      13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                      14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                      15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                      16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                      17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                      18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                      19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                      20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                      21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                      22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                      23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                      24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                      25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                      26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                      27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                      27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                      27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                      28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                      29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                      29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                      30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                      30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                      31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                      32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                      33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                      34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                      35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                      36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                      37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                      .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                      38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                      .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                      39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                      ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                      40. Mare Island
                      Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                      41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                      ..... A.-G. K
                      önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                      42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                      43. Fahnen Werkst
                      ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                      ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
                      *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                      44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                      .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                      45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                      46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                      ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

                      47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                      48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                      49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                      -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
                      A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                      B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                      C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
                      D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
                      E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14.
                      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                      Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                      Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                      ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                      Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                      ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                      Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                      Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                      Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                      ....... pennants)
                      Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                      Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                      Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                      Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                      Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                      Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                      Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                      Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                      Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                      Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                      .......
                      1932 or 1933
                      in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                      ......... like
                      #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                      Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                      ....... Munchen,
                      (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
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                      Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                      Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                      Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                      Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                      Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                      Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                      Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                      Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                      Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                      Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                      Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
                      Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                      Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                      Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                      ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                      Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                      Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                      Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                      Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                      Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                      Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                      Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                      Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                      Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                      Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                      Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                      Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                      Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                      Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                      Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                      ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                      Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                      Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                      Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                      --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                      SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
                      S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                      S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                      S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                      S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                      S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                      S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                      S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                      S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                      S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                      S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                      S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                      S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                      S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
                      S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                      S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                      S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                      S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                      S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                      S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
                      1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                      S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                      S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
                      (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                      ******************************************
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                      Comment


                        surviving DE's & SA fahnen...

                        DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                        SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.

                        ............................... All feel free to add more. ..........................
                        -----------------( 11-03-12 update, real count=49 )------------------
                        1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                        2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                        2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                        2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                        3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                        3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                        3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                        4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                        5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                        6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                        7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                        8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                        8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                        9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                        10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                        11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                        12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                        .....might be #10 or #11?
                        13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                        14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                        15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                        16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                        17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                        18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                        19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                        20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                        21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                        22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                        23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                        24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                        25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                        26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                        27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                        27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                        27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                        28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                        29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                        29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                        30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                        30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                        31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                        32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                        33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                        34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                        35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                        36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                        37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                        .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                        38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                        .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                        39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                        ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                        40. Mare Island
                        Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                        41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                        ..... A.-G. K
                        önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                        42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                        43. Fahnen Werkst
                        ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                        ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
                        *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                        44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                        .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                        45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                        46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                        ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

                        47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                        48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                        49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                        -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
                        A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                        B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                        C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
                        D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
                        E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14.
                        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                        Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                        ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                        Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                        ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                        Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                        Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                        Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                        ....... pennants)
                        Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                        Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                        Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                        Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                        Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                        Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                        Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                        Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                        Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                        Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                        .......
                        1932 or 1933
                        in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                        ......... like
                        #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                        Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                        ....... Munchen,
                        (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                        ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                        Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                        Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                        Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                        Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                        Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                        Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                        Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                        Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                        Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                        Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
                        Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                        Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                        Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                        ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                        Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                        Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                        Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                        Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                        Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                        Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                        Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                        Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                        Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                        Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                        Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                        Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                        Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                        Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                        Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                        ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                        Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                        Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                        Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                        --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                        SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
                        S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                        S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                        S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                        S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                        S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                        S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                        S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                        S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                        S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                        S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                        S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                        S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                        S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                        S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                        S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                        S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                        S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                        S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
                        S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                        S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                        S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                        S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                        S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                        S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
                        1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                        S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                        S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
                        (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                        DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                        SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                        ******************************************
                        .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........
                        DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box (name high, NSDAP low).

                        (below) DE1. example other side with box screw hole in low position.

                        (below) SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swastika, no fringe, from t=628932.

                        Attached Files
                        sigpic
                        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                        Comment


                          #16 added info...

                          16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                          ..... G.FL,
                          Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                          ............................... All feel free to add more. ..........................
                          -----------------( 12-21-12 update, real count=49 )------------------
                          1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                          2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                          2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                          2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                          3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                          3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                          3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                          4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                          5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                          6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                          7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                          8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                          8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                          9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                          10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                          11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                          12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                          .....might be #10 or #11?
                          13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                          14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                          15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                          16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                          ..... G.FL,
                          Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                          17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                          18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                          19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                          20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                          21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                          22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                          23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                          24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                          25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                          26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                          27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                          27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                          27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                          28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                          29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                          29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                          30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                          30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                          31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                          32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                          33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                          34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                          35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                          36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                          37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                          .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                          38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                          .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                          39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                          ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                          40. Mare Island
                          Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                          41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                          ..... A.-G. K
                          önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                          42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                          43. Fahnen Werkst
                          ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                          ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
                          *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                          44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                          .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                          45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                          46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                          ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

                          47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                          48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                          49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                          -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
                          A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                          B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                          C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
                          D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
                          E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14.
                          ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                          Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                          ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                          Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                          ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                          Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                          Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                          Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                          ....... pennants)
                          Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                          Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                          Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                          Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                          Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                          Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                          Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                          Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                          Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                          Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                          .......
                          1932 or 1933
                          in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                          ......... like
                          #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                          Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                          ....... Munchen,
                          (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
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                          Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                          Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                          Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                          Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                          Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                          Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                          Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                          Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                          Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                          Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                          Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
                          Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                          Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                          Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                          ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                          Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                          Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                          Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                          Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                          Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                          Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                          Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                          Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                          Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                          Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                          Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                          Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                          Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                          Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                          Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                          ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                          Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                          Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                          Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                          --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                          SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
                          S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                          S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                          S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                          S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                          S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                          S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                          S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                          S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                          S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                          S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                          S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                          S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                          S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
                          S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                          S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                          S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                          S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                          S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                          S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
                          1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                          S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                          S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
                          (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                          -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                          DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                          SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                          ******************************************
                          .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........
                          16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                          ..... G.FL,
                          Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149) *Tyanacek

                          (above) outside Germany maker marking...
                          (below) flag type & size marking in cm...

                          (below) mint condition bow jack staff flag...
                          sigpic
                          .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

                          Comment


                            maker #50

                            50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818
                            ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                            -----------------( 12-30-12 update, real count=50 )------------------
                            1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                            2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                            2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                            2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                            3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                            3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                            3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                            4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                            5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                            6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                            7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                            8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                            8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                            9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                            10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                            11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                            12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                            .....might be #10 or #11?
                            13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                            14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                            15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                            16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                            ..... G.FL,
                            Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                            17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                            18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                            19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                            20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                            21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                            22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                            23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                            24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                            25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                            26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                            27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                            27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                            27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                            28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                            29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                            29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                            30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                            30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                            31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                            32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                            33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                            34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                            35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                            36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                            37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                            .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                            38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                            .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                            39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                            ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                            40. Mare Island
                            Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                            41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                            ..... A.-G. K
                            önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                            42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                            43. Fahnen Werkst
                            ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                            ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
                            *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                            44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                            .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                            45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                            46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                            ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

                            47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                            48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                            49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                            50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF)
                            t=642818
                            -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
                            A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                            B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                            C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
                            D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
                            E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50.
                            ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                            Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                            ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                            Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                            ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                            Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                            Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                            Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                            ....... pennants)
                            Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                            Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                            Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                            Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                            Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                            Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                            Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                            Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                            Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                            Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                            .......
                            1932 or 1933
                            in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                            ......... like
                            #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                            Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                            ....... Munchen,
                            (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
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                            Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                            Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                            Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                            Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                            Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                            Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                            Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                            Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                            Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                            Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                            Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
                            Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                            Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                            Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                            ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                            Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                            Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                            Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                            Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                            Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                            Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                            Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                            Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                            Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                            Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                            Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                            Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                            Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                            Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                            Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                            ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                            Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                            Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                            Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                            --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                            SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
                            S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                            S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                            S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                            S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                            S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                            S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                            S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                            S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                            S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                            S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                            S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                            S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                            S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                            S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                            S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                            S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                            S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                            S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
                            S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                            S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                            S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                            S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                            S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                            S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
                            1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                            S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                            S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
                            (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                            -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                            DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                            SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                            ******************************************
                            .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                            50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF) t=642818


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                              Ot17

                              Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?
                              ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                              -----------------( 1-22-13 update, real count=50 )------------------
                              1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                              2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                              2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                              2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                              3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                              3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                              3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                              4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                              5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                              6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                              7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                              8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                              8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                              9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                              10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                              11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                              12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                              .....might be #10 or #11?
                              13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                              14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                              15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                              16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                              ..... G.FL,
                              Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                              17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                              18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                              19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                              20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                              21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                              22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                              23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                              24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                              25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                              26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                              27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                              27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                              27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                              28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                              29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                              29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                              30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                              30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                              31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                              32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                              33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                              34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                              35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                              36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                              37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                              .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                              38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                              .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                              39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                              ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                              40. Mare Island
                              Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                              41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                              ..... A.-G. K
                              önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                              42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                              43. Fahnen Werkst
                              ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                              ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
                              *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                              44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                              .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                              45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                              46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                              ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

                              47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                              48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                              49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                              50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF)
                              t=642818
                              -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
                              A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                              B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                              C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
                              D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
                              E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50.
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                              Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                              Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                              ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                              Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                              ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                              Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                              Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                              Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                              ....... pennants)
                              Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                              Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                              Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                              Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                              Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                              Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                              Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                              Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                              Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                              Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                              .......
                              1932 or 1933
                              in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                              ......... like
                              #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                              Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                              ....... Munchen,
                              (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                              Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                              ....... *inimicus,
                              (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                              Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                              Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                              Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                              Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                              Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                              Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                              Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                              Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                              Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                              Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
                              Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                              Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                              Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                              ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                              Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                              Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                              Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                              Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                              Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                              Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                              Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                              Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                              Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                              Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                              Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                              Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                              Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                              Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                              Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                              ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                              Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                              Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                              Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                              --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                              SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
                              S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                              S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                              S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                              S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                              S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                              S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                              S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                              S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                              S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                              S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                              S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                              S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                              S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
                              S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                              S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                              S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                              S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                              S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                              S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
                              1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                              S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                              S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
                              (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                              -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                              DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                              SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
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                              .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                              Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                              ....... *inimicus,
                              (DAF Corner Patch Flag = CPF), from WAF t=587212

                              (below) tag in lower corner.

                              (below) tag close up.
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                                Fk23 & Fk24 ...

                                Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                                Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                                ................................ All feel free to add more. ..........................
                                -----------------( 1-23-13 update, real count=50 )------------------
                                1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                                2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
                                2b. Fahnen-Hoffmann, label, t=23469 *Seba (bullion Fuhrer standard)
                                2c. Fahnen-Hoffmann Berlin S.W.68 ges.gesch, label, *paulj (Zeppelin)
                                3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                                3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
                                3c. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (label), *negative1 (RDF) post #146.
                                4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
                                5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
                                6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                                7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
                                8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                                8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
                                9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                                10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                                11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                                12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                                .....might be #10 or #11?
                                13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                                14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
                                15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                                16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF,
                                ..... G.FL,
                                Pieter Fentener van Vlissingen & Co. Cotton Factory (t=641149)
                                17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF, & rarer pattern RKF's)
                                18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                                19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
                                20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
                                21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
                                22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
                                23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-boat RKF & RDF)
                                24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
                                25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
                                26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
                                27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
                                27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
                                27c. Küpper & Rudolph, Reiss-Schutz D.R.G.M., tag,*hdmarley (RDF)
                                28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
                                29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
                                29b. Fahnen-Fleck Rödingsmarkt1 Hamburg11 Burstah Eck, tag *Faz73
                                30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
                                30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen I. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
                                31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
                                32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
                                33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
                                34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
                                35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
                                36. echt hamburger netz, sewn on label, *Merdock (NSKK pennant)
                                37. Kaüfhaus Domstr.57/67 Kölner Fabrik-Engros-Lager G.M.B.H., tag
                                .....*OFW (Swastika 3rd Reich National flag = 3RNF)
                                38. Vereinsartikel Ph.Lennelaub_ Frankfurt a/Main, from WAF t=458411,
                                .....*OFW (long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                                39. Fahnen u. Stickereien Randel Dusseldorf Kasernenstr.23, *caf48, from
                                ..... t=471827(long swastika 3rd Reich National flag/banner, with tag.)
                                40. Mare Island
                                Navy Yard 1936, *Negative1 (RKF, 1st Pattern) "wmtf" post #109
                                41. Königsberger Segelkickwaren-und flaggenfabrik, J.E.W. Hellgardt
                                ..... A.-G. K
                                önigsberg i./PR., darrenbate*, (tag on RDF) "wmtf" post 138.
                                42. Buntstoff Berlin, *behblc (300x500 Göschen=Bow Jack) t=474334
                                43. Fahnen Werkst
                                ätten Heber Gestickte Flaggen u. Behänge
                                ..... Markneukirchen, tag,
                                *BC, (Eagle Podium banner) t=390577
                                44. To-Go Patentamt gesch. Walther Goldbach Berlin Wilmersdorf,
                                .... *Patrick_W, (gray army officer on duty auto fender pennant)
                                45. "FIB" Pola, on a super size 500cm printed AH Standard, *OFW.
                                46. Heinrich Zeisig Fahnenfabrik, Breslau 1, nur Junkernstr.7
                                ..... DRL flag on pole, *Ordensritter.

                                47. Hannoversche Fahnenfabrik, *WhisperX27, (Gosch)
                                48. Ernst Benrowitz, Konigsberg Pr,*patriote3945, t=514201(yacht pennant)
                                49. Fahnen-Oster Köln, t=615320, *juno44 (podium banner)
                                50. Plüschweberei Grefrath (plush weave), *Eljabanebre, (RKF)
                                t=642818
                                -----------------------( maker rarity ranking )----------------------------------
                                A. Often seen: 2, 2b(tag), 2c,(tag), 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17.
                                B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3,3b,3c, 5, 11, 15, 17 trans pattern RKF, 19, 21.
                                C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33, 36(tag), 37(tag), 38(tag), 44, 48, 49.
                                D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26&b(tag), 27&b/c(tag), 29&b(tag), 30, 30b, 31,39(tag), 47.
                                E. The rarest: 34, 35, 40, 41(tag), 42, 43(tag), Ot14, 50.
                                ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                                Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                                ....... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                                Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                                ....... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                                Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
                                Ot4. Bildgiesserie KRAAS, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
                                Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk (on
                                ....... pennants)
                                Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
                                Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
                                Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
                                Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
                                Ot10. NSKOV Pole Top, Ges.Gesch Otto Gahr designer marked, *OFW
                                Ot11. RZM M3/27, Schmidt Söhne J.H. Isarlohen, *OFW (pole tops)
                                Ot12. NSDAP-Tirol-Vorarlberg Gaupropaganda-Amt, *OFW (3RNF)

                                Ot13. Italian made with Napoli City Property stamp, *OFW ( 3RNF)
                                Ot14. WW2 Japanese made German RKF, *IWSS, from t=460051
                                Ot15. "Sächsische Fahnenfabrik Georg Lange & Ottomar Kneiss",
                                .......
                                1932 or 1933
                                in Leipzig.*WAB, (vet top), from WAF t=561415
                                ......... like
                                #91-OFW* pole top collection.
                                Ot16. Artist: Berthold Rungas, Designer Priessmann, Bauer & Co.
                                ....... Munchen,
                                (RNS top), from WAF t=507404
                                Ot17. Deutsche Arbeit, Bevo woven generic made in Germany tag?,
                                ....... *inimicus,
                                (DAF CPF), from WAF t=587212
                                ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                                Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                                Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen I. Vogtl., landeskreis, *OFW (SS, RKF, HJ)
                                Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                                Fk3a. Fake RKF, 60x90, with bogus KM Eagle "M" stamp, *OFW, t=513875.
                                Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                                Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                                Fk5b. Walter Buch Heilbronn, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
                                Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
                                Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
                                Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
                                Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
                                Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
                                Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
                                ..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
                                Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
                                Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
                                Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                                Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
                                Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & white in wreath, 60x90, *OFW"
                                Fk14d. Variation of Fk14c, black eye, extra claws & stamps, *OFW(").
                                Fk15. NMN, 60x90, " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
                                Fk15b. M9/26, 60x90, Ordnungspolizei, *WK (black swaz Police Eagle)
                                Fk15c. Carl Henkel, Bielefeld, 1940, 75x50, Ordnungspolizei, *OFW.
                                Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
                                Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
                                Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
                                Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
                                Fk18. R.Badermann/Wien 5/41 M9/25, *OFW (Delta, SS-Lah1)
                                Fk19. NMM, with bogus NSRL stamp, Silesien via WAF t=410363,
                                ....and shown again on t=460333 (small swastika flag, Delta)
                                Fk20. Fahnen-Feeken Gethin Perchenstr.34, *OFW (SS & Swaz Bnr.)
                                Fk21. NSDAP top, 1st pattern with bogus markings, *OFW (see Ot6)
                                Fk22. NMM, fake NSDAP GL fender flag, *CD, from t=511407
                                Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                                Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)
                                --------------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags ]----------------------
                                SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 26 SS battalion flags
                                S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
                                S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
                                S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
                                S4. I/17, 1st pattern, was II/17 per t=414513,*EA on WAF
                                S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
                                S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
                                S7. III/55, *walker flag book, sold 5K Euro c.2004 t=59249
                                S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
                                S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
                                S10. III/82, 1st pattern, *Silesien, sold 1986 $2600
                                S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
                                S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
                                S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
                                S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
                                S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
                                S21. I/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *OFW observed (-*-)
                                S22. II/16, 1st pattern - center & fringe, *RH observed (-*-)
                                S23. Signals Bn 10 (Nachrichten), 2nd pattern, *paulj on WAF
                                S24. I/45, "Neisse" (Oppeln),
                                1st pattern - fringe, *paulj on ".
                                S25. III/16 "Breslau", 1st pattern, ^paulj post #157, (-*-)
                                S26. III/6, "Berlin-Charlottenburg", 1p fringe, 2p swaz, *Weitze
                                (-*-) = corner patch on one side, removed by Czech movie studio?
                                -----------------[ Surviving Ultra Rare Flags con't ]----------------------
                                DE1. SA Mahrisch Ostrau, *CG, ex-BH, 2 screw box(name high, NSDAP low).
                                SA1. 14/L, 31/L, 10/L (SA Leibstandarte), *JW, mobile swaz, no fringe.
                                ******************************************
                                .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
                                Fk23. Fahnen-Kley HAMM (Westf.), fake maker tag, *OFW (RKF)
                                Fk24. NVPFv (Holland), real maker #16 but fake tag, *OFW (RKF)


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