who made the flags ???

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Fk16c

Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag on SS auto pennant, same Fk16 eagle.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 5-27-10 update, real count=30 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tonis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28,
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag on SS auto pennant, same Fk16 eagle.

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Fk17

Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, Delta International
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 5-28-10 update, real count=30 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tonis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28,
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, Delta International
A series of fake SS pennants sold by Delta International, once located
in the 1970's near San Francisco in the East Bay (near Concord) in
Lafayette California. Delta's over the counter sales were done in a soap
windowed strip mall, the majority of sales done by mail order catalog
ads in the "Shotgun News", and various magazines about antiques and
history, etc. The Delta flags and pennants were actually made by
Paramount Flags in San Francisco (now long out of business). OFW

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Fk17 plus ???

Fk17 plus: Mid-East repro of a Delta fake SS Division auto pennant.
Even these now old fake SS pennants once sold by Delta International,
are now reproduced in hand embroidered bullion wire work. Go figure.
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
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#31

#31.Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. (RKF)
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 6-3-10 update, real count=31 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tonis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28,
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30, 31.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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31.Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. (RKF)

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Ot5

Ot5. New Möeller #5001 snap hook vs. WAF t=421850 (on pennants)
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 6-8-10 update, real count=31 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tonis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28,
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30, 31.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. WAF t=421850

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32 & 33

32 & 33. Stromeyer & dnq.41, t=439284 & 188834 (Radio markers)
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 6-9-10 update, real count=33 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tonis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30, 31.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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......... OLDFLAGSWANTED .........

32 & 33. Stromeyer & dnq.41, t=439284 & 188834 (Radio markers)

[oldflagswanted]

Ot6 NSDAP 1st Pattern Eagle Pole Tops

Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 6-12-10 update, real count=33 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tonis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30, 31.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
As I've been quoted saying before, the devil is in the details.
Below right is the 1st Pattern NSDAP Leadership flag top from
t=442023, center and left are IMO two "real" examples - note
their below wing, and wreath leaf & band details, as well as the
swastika thinkness. Right top appears to be a recasting which
has lost certain specific detail and has other mold fill flaws.

[oldflagswanted]

RKF sizes, real and fake ???

Real WW2 German Navy (KM) RKF's came in eight sizes...
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Size#, measurement ship tonnage, type ship (not in KMF book)
#12, 450x750cm, over 10K, Battleship (Bismarck 50Kt)
11, 400x670cm, over 10K tons, B-Cruiser (Prinz Eugen 14Kt)
10, 300x500cm, 1500 to 10K tons, Cruiser (Leipzig 8.4K tons)
8, 200x335cm, 1500 to 10K tons, Destroyer 3Kt & Cruiser 8Kt
7, 150x250cm, 500 to 1500 tons, (note U-Boat pole too short)
6, 100x170cm, 500 to 1500 tons, DE-Torpedo Boat 900 tons
#5, 80x135cm, up to 500 tons, U-Boats and E-Boats, tugs
#3, 50x85cm, up to 500 tons, U-Boats 900t, E-Boats 120t
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IMO the 50x85cm RKF was the "most common size" used on
U-boats, but only a very few confirmed U-boat RKF's survive.
USN captured U-505 example at Annapolis is 50x85 and has
the KM eagle over "M" mark, as does my US Army captured
example from the Brest France U-boat Penns.



Often mistaken as a "real" U-boat flag is the 60x90 size RKF,
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, (Delta)
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[merdock]

Hi,
Further to the very poor photo i suppliedhere are some better ones ,I have 2 by the same maker? from looking at the 2 i'm not sure if it's Sl or St as one looks like a t and the other a l also note the one has 1 umlaut and the other 2?
also a photo of the other maker i have which could be the rarest maker out there.
All the best Merdock

[merdock]

the British made one

[oldflagswanted]

30b.

30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob (RKF)
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 6-13-10 update, real count=33 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tonis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30, 30b, 31.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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......... OLDFLAGSWANTED .........

30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen. Vogtl., t=442400, *Robinhood - Rob on WAF (RKF)
Hard to read (HTR), but appears to be example with "K" vs. "C" as used on #30.

30b (above) = Kurt Bräutigam Plauen. Vogtl., from WAF thread t=442400
30 (below) = Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, both on "real" RKF's vs. Fk2 a confirmed fake.

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34 & 35 The Rarest ???

34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 6-15-10 update, real count=35 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30, 30b, 31.
E. The rarest: 34, 35.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
*******************************************
......... OLDFLAGSWANTED .........
ALLIED Made:
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)

[oldflagswanted]

Ot7 RZM tags.

Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on DAF & HJ flags, *OFW
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 6-21-10 update, real count=35 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30, 30b, 31.
E. The rarest: 34, 35.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on DAF & HJ flags, *OFW

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Ot8

Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 6-24-10 update, real count=35 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30, 30b, 31.
E. The rarest: 34, 35.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)

(above) Orts & other Organizational banner metalic silver RZM fringe.
(below) Podium Banner non-metalic white fringe example.

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Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
-----------------( 6-26-10 update, real count=35 )--------------------
1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed = ob, or just *OFW
3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
3b. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rhein, WAF t=431919, *OFW(HmEK)
4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW (Gosch, RKF)
5. Neue Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW confirmed (RKF)
6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
7. Lorenz Summa Söhne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (Gosch & RKF flags)
8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
8b. Fahnen Richter gegr 1869 Koln8, *OFW (tag on 1st patrn RKF)
9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
.....might be #10 or #11?
13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
14. Württembergische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW(GA)
15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
18. Düsseldorfer Fahnenfabrik , m. Düsseldorf (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF & RDF)
20. Fahnen-Kreisel, (corrected), *OFW observed (RKF)
21. P&Co, *rhudspith, (KM Signal Flags)
22p. Gabriel Herest A.G. Konstenz, *T_E, (RKF, pending full review)
23. Koechlin, Baumgarlner u. Cie.A.G. Lorrach, *OFW (U-Boat RKF)
24. KRESS St. Tönis [in block], confirmed, *Merdock & *OFW (RDF)
25. Flaggenfabrik Arfelstedt & Hornung Hamburg+Altona, *OFW (G)
26. DFS (flag tag) Duisburger Fahnenfabrik M.Steinmetz, *OFW (RKF)
27. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, *OFW (RDF HHA#8454)
27b. Küpper & Rudolph Köln, Reiss-Schutz DRGM, tag,*OFW (RDF)
28. Schäelffer (HTR?) Nossen, *OFW (RDF)
29. Fahnen-Fleck Hamburg 11 Rödingsmarkt 1, tag,*OFW (Gosch)
30. Curt Bräutigam (over) Plauen. Vogtland, *OFW (RKF) vs. Fk2.
30b. Kurt Bräutigam Plauen. Vogtl., (HTR) t=442400, *Rob on WAF(RKF)
31. Textildruck Arlt Inh. Oskar u. Kurt Arlt Schönheide/Erzgeb. "(RKF)
32. L.Stromeyer & Co Konstanz BA.H.IV, *BKW, (Radio Station marker)
33. dnq.41, t=188834, *BKW (Radio station direction marker "F")
34. J.T.Dobbins Ltd Crown Mills Ardwick Manchester 1943, *Merdock (RKF)
35. New York Navy Yard 1936, *OFW (RKF, sewn 1st Pattern)
-----------------------( maker rarity ranking )------------------------
A. Often seen: 2, 4, 6, 7, 8, 12, 13, 14, 16, 17,
B. Sometimes seen: 1, 3 & 3b, 5, 11, 15, 19, 21,
C. Seldom seen: 8b(tag), 9, 10, 20, 22, 24, 28, 32, 33.
D. Ultra-rare: 18, 23, 25, 26, 27 & 27b(tag), 29(tag), 30, 30b, 31.
E. The rarest: 34, 35.
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Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
Ot3. Fahnen Fleck, Hamburg (e.1882), *OFW (Army unit flags: F&S)
Ot4. Kraas Bildgiesserie, Berlin, (estb.1883), *OFW (Army " tops)
Ot5. New Möeller GMBH #5001 snap hook vs. t=421850 *kk(on pennants)
Ot6. NMM, NSDAP top, real=left & center, fake on right. *OFW (1st pattern)
Ot7. RZM N & P tags, examples used on flags, *OFW (DAF & HJ)
Ot8. Fringe examples used on flags, *OFW (Orts & Podium banners)
Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, etc.)
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Fakes known: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)
Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
Fk5. Philipp Bouhler Kiel, 60x90 (invalid size), *OFW (Delta, Alten Garde)
Fk6. 1942. B.16. HK., *OFW (RKF fake, with one off added marking)
Fk7. NMM, leather triangle corners & strings, *OFW (RKF, Japan made)
Fk8. DKM 1937, from WAF thread #421749, *OFW (RKF)
Fk9. III/1, heavy bullion wire corner patch numbers, *OFW(Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk10. IV+Skull, heavy bullion wire corner patch *OFW (Pk, SS-SBF)
Fk11. I/SS2, SS non-wire corner patch numbers & bogus markings,
..... NSDAP, ORGANISATION M9/26, WAF t=373675, *OFW (SS-SBF)
Fk12. NMM, dark underwing and poor baton detail, *OFW (small GA)
Fk13. NMM, Heeresgruppe SS, bogus stamp marked, *OFW (AGrp)
Fk14. NMM, 48x90 bogus size marking, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14b. M/9, Schutzstaffel N/58, t=313905, *OFW (Delta, SS-Cmd)
Fk14c. Like Fk14b, except chest & wreath, 60x90, *OFW (Delta, ")
Fk15. NMN, 60x90 " Ordnungspolizei, *OFW (Delta, Police Cmd)
Fk16. NMM, SS fender flag with bogus eagle & skull, *OFW(SS-Cmd)
Fk16b. NMM, SS auto flag with same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd)
Fk16c. RZM 61/35 bogus tag, same Fk16 eagle, *OFW (SS-Cmd penn.)
Fk17. RZM tag series of SS Division auto pennant, *OFW (Delta, ")
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Real SS-SBF (Sturmbannfahnen), count at 20 SS battalion flags
S1. I/5, 1st pattern, formerly *OFW via Klenau Munich Auction
S2. Signal Bn 4, 2nd pattern, *=photo confirmed, OFW c.1975
S3. Signal Bn 14, 2nd pattern, *book, held by visor hat guy.
S4. I/17, 1st pattern, *EA on WAF
S5. III/43, 1st pattern, *for sale online at $12K-USD
S6. II/47, 1st pattern, *O-J on WAF
S7. III/55, *walker flag book
S8. III/59, * believed to be one sold in H-Historica Auction
S9. II/72, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975
S10. III/82, no photo yet, WAF-Silesien sold 1986 $2600
S11. I/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S12. III/101, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S13. III/104, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S14. I/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S15. III/106, 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S16. I/107, 2nd pattern, *OFW c.1975, traded off
S17. III/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *BH on WAF
S18. II/4+Skull (TK-SS), 2nd pattern, *DS on WAF
S19. II/SS2 (VT-SS), 2nd pattern, *OFW observed
S20. I/103, 2nd pattern, $2.5K Manion 1994. *Silesien-WAF
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Ot9. Kriegsmarine marking examples used on flags, *OFW (RKF, RDF, Gösch, AH Standard, etc.).
Lower right double circle swastika over "M" mark seen on Berlin maker #1 flags per WAF t=444779.