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    #16
    Originally posted by blutundehre View Post
    In post #1 it shows Plutzar & Brull fake ss lager and rkf's, I see
    the updated list shows only ss lager. I was going off the list in
    post #1, that is where the mix up was, sorry.
    Dave
    Dave:
    #13 Plutzar & Brull is not a problem, see most recent
    posts and list corrections. I think it is sorted out now.
    Thanks for keeping me on my toes.
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      #17
      Originally posted by oldflagswanted View Post
      Dave:
      #13 Plutzar & Brull is not a problem, see most recent
      posts and list corrections. I think it is sorted out now.
      Thanks for keeping me on my toes.


      No problems, I just almost had a heart attack, but I'm fine now.

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        #18
        I couldnt see the Dutch maker listed,

        N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co,s Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland)

        A few examples of RKF,s and Gosch flags from this maker have been shown on here.

        As i cant post pics perhaps some else would be courteous.

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          #19
          N.v.p.f. ???

          Originally posted by keifer kahn View Post
          I couldnt see the Dutch maker listed,
          N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co,s Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland)
          A few examples of RKF,s and Gosch flags from this maker have been
          shown on here. As i cant post pics perhaps some else would be courteous.

          kk:
          Thanks for that addition, here is a WAF Helmond search example.

          Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
          --------------------------( 4-7-10 update )---------------------------
          1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW (mostly RKF's)
          2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
          3. Bonnerfahnenfabrik Bonn (often used sewn label), *OFW
          4. Johann Liebieg & Comp Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW
          5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW
          6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW
          7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
          8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
          9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW (tag with SS logo)
          10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW
          11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW
          12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
          .....might be #10 or #11?
          13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
          14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
          15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
          16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
          Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
          Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with dot size)**
          Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
          ***************************************
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          Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-07-2010, 09:14 AM.
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            #20
            #4, Johann Liebieg &amp; Comp...

            #4, Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland,

            Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
            ---------------------( 4-7-10 update, rev#2 )---------------------------
            1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW (mostly RKF's)
            2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
            3. Bonnerfahnenfabrik Bonn (often used sewn label), *OFW
            4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW, (Gosch)
            5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW
            6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW
            7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
            8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
            9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW (tag with SS logo)
            10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW
            11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW
            12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
            .....might be #10 or #11?
            13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
            14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
            15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
            16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
            Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
            Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with dot size)**
            Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
            ***************************************
            ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
            Unknown ???
            http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=340040
            Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-07-2010, 10:49 PM.
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              #21
              #3, Bonner Fahnenfabrik...

              #3, Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh, stamped on Gosch flag header.

              Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
              -----------------------( 4-7-10 update, rev#3 )------------------------
              1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW (mostly RKF's)
              2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
              3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
              4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW, (Gosch)
              5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW
              6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW
              7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
              8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
              9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW (tag with SS logo)
              10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW
              11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW
              12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
              .....might be #10 or #11?
              13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
              14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
              15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
              16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
              --------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
              Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with dot size)**
              Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
              ***************************************
              ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
              Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-07-2010, 11:30 PM.
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                #22
                I've seen an HJ Gefolgschaftsfahne in excellent condition with the paper RZM tag sewn on it from A4 manufacturer #308 Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, which changed names at some point to Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik. The company was owned by Chr. Heinrich Arnold/Erich W. Schnieder. I don't have photos as the flag belongs to another collector.

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                  #23
                  Others ???

                  Originally posted by Gefolgschaft View Post
                  ...HJ Gefolgschaftsfahne ...paper RZM tag sewn on
                  ...from A4 manufacturer #308 Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer
                  Fahnenfabrik, which changed names at some point to Coburger
                  & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik. ...I don't have photos...
                  Gefolgschaft:
                  Thanks for another interesting contribution, first RZM entry so far.
                  Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                  -----------------------( 4-7-10 update, rev#4 )------------------------
                  1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW (mostly RKF's)
                  2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                  3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                  4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW, (Gosch)
                  5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW
                  6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW
                  7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                  8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                  9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW (tag with SS logo)
                  10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW
                  11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW
                  12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                  .....might be #10 or #11?
                  13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                  14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                  15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                  16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                  Others: indirect via RZM tag code numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                  Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                  ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                  --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                  Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                  Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with dot size)**
                  Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                  ***************************************
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                    #24
                    more from past WAF postings ???

                    #17, from past WAF postings...

                    Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                    -----------------------( 4-7-10 update, rev#6 )------------------------
                    1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW (mostly RKF's)
                    2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                    3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                    4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW, (Gosch)
                    5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW
                    6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW
                    7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                    8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                    9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW (tag with SS logo)
                    10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW
                    11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW
                    12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                    .....might be #10 or #11?
                    13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                    14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                    15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                    16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                    17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                    Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                    ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                    Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                    ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                    --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                    Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                    Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with dot size)**
                    Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                    Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                    ***************************************
                    ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......

                    (above) Ot2 (WW1) example from listing
                    (below) #8 (WW2) example same company showing reverse BR logo, 52 meaning unknown. ???
                    Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-08-2010, 02:08 AM.
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                      #25
                      Fk3 from previous WAF posting...

                      #Fk3, from past WAF postings...

                      Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                      -----------------------( 4-8-10 update, rev#0 )------------------------
                      1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW (mostly RKF's)
                      2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                      3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                      4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW, (Gosch)
                      5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW
                      6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW
                      7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                      8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                      9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW (tag with SS logo)
                      10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW
                      11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW
                      12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                      .....might be #10 or #11?
                      13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                      14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                      15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                      16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                      17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                      --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                      Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                      Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                      ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                      Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                      ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                      --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                      Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                      Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with dot size)**
                      Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                      Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                      ***************************************
                      ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......

                      Tentative #18, (hard to read): Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik, location ??? (RKF)
                      http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=344860
                      Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-08-2010, 02:49 AM.
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                        #26
                        #19, wft ???

                        #19, from past WAF postings...


                        Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                        -----------------------( 4-8-10 update, rev#1 )------------------------
                        1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW (mostly RKF's)
                        2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                        3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                        4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW, (Gosch)
                        5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW
                        6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW
                        7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                        8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                        9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW (tag with SS logo)
                        10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW
                        11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW
                        12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                        .....might be #10 or #11?
                        13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                        14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                        15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                        16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                        17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                        18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW (RKF)
                        19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW (RKF)
                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                        Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                        ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                        Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                        ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                        --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                        Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                        Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with dot size)**
                        Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                        Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                        ***************************************
                        ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
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                          #27
                          Fk4, N.S.Soldatenbundes 60x90

                          #Fk4, from past WAF post t=335496

                          Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                          -----------------------( 4-8-10 update, rev#2 )------------------------
                          1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW (mostly RKF's)
                          2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                          3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                          4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW, (Gosch)
                          5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW
                          6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW
                          7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                          8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                          9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW (tag with SS logo)
                          10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW
                          11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW
                          12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                          .....might be #10 or #11?
                          13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                          14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                          15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                          16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                          17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                          18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW (RKF)
                          19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW (RKF)
                          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                          Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                          ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                          Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                          ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                          --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                          Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                          Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with dot size)**
                          Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                          Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                          Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                          ***************************************
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                            #28
                            #20

                            #20, from past WAF post t=330981

                            Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                            -----------------------( 4-8-10 update, rev#3 )------------------------
                            1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                            2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                            3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                            4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
                            5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
                            6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                            7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                            8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                            9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                            10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                            11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                            12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                            .....might be #10 or #11?
                            13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                            14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                            15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                            16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                            17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                            18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                            19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
                            20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
                            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                            Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                            ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                            Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                            ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                            --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                            Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with dot size)**
                            Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                            Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                            Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                            ***************************************
                            ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......
                            Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-08-2010, 04:15 AM.
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                              #29
                              double dot size marking ???

                              Just observed from past WAF post t=317640 a double dot size
                              marking on a real #4 RKF, which may be the inspiration for Fk1&2.
                              Again, feel free to add more examples with confirmation photos (*).
                              -----------------------( 4-8-10 update, rev#4 )------------------------
                              1. Berliner Fahnenfabrik Geitel & Co Berlin, *OFW ob (mostly RKF's)
                              2. Fahnen Hoffmann K.G. Berlin, *OFW observed
                              3. Bonner Fahnenfabrik Bonn a. Rh (stamped & sewn label), *OFW (Gosch)
                              4. Johann Liebieg & Comp. Reichenberg Sudetenland, *OFW ob (Gosch)
                              5. Houe Augsburger Kattunfabrik Augsburg, *OFW observed
                              6. G.A. Frohlichs Sohn A.G. Warnsdorf Sud., *OFW observed
                              7. Lorenz Summa Sonne Oberkotzau, *OFW, (mostly Gosch flags)
                              8. Bernard Richter Fahnenfabrik Koln, est.1864 (BR logo), *OFW
                              9. Lazarett Munchen Dachau, *OFW observed (tag with SS logo)
                              10. Ritto-Werk Loh Gmbh, *OFW observed
                              11. Christophorus Josephus von Loh, *OFW observed
                              12. LOH (alone unknown maker name/location), *OFW (most RKF's)
                              .....might be #10 or #11?
                              13. Plutzar & Brull K.G., Bielitz O/S, *rhudspith WAF link, (RKF)
                              14. Wurttembegische Cattunmanufactur Heidenheim a. Brz., *OFW
                              15. Fahnenfabrika A. Dreyer Hildesheim gege. 1881, *RUHL13, RKF
                              16. N.V.P.F vVlissingen & Co's Katoenfabk Helmond (Holland), *kk, RKF
                              17. Witte K.G. Munchen, *OFW observed, (RKF)
                              18. Buffeldorfer Fahnenfabrik , [location] ??? (HTR), *OFW ob (RKF)
                              19. WFT (triangle logo), *OFW observed (RKF)
                              20. Fahnen-Kraisel, (WAF T=330981), *OFW observed (RKF)
                              --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Others: some indirect by RZM tag numbers (^=no photo yet posted)
                              Ot1. A4#308, Chr. Heinrich Arnold Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, changed to
                              ..... Coburger & Thuringer Fahnenfabrik, ^Gefolgschaft on WAF, (HJ)
                              Ot2. Bernhard Richter Fahnenfabrik Coln, est.1869, Grossherzl. Mecklog.
                              ..... Hotlieferant (sewn tag),*OFW (WW1 tri-color IC center Gosch)
                              --------------------------------------------------------------------------
                              Known fakes: (**)original flags from these makers not yet observed
                              Fk1. LOH (alone in box), *OFW (SS Lager with single end dot size)**
                              Fk2. Kurt Brautigam Plauen Vogtl landeskreis, *OFW (SS Lager & RKF)**
                              Fk3. NMM (no maker mark) Reichskriegsfahne 60x90, *OFW (Delta RKF)
                              Fk4. M9/25, 60x90 (WAF T=335496), *OFW (Delta, Soldatenbundes)
                              ***************************************
                              ....... OLDFLAGSWANTED .......

                              (Above) Double dot (start/stop) size on a real #4 RKF. (Ref: WAF t=317640)
                              (Below) Single dot (stop) size on a fake #Fk2 RKF. (Ref: WAF t=421517)
                              Last edited by oldflagswanted; 04-08-2010, 05:02 AM.
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