Still Out There: Latest DE

[oldflagswanted]

...more about DE Banners

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[dag001]

IMO The DE are quite plain looking and overpriced without all the additional hardware that go along with them. Whats the big difference.

Ummmm, the history maybe?

[DR DOLCH]

Without the standarte box,one will never know its history. Denny I stand corrected .$8.75 Garage sale globe + History $99,991.25 + Sales Tax 7,500 +15% Commision $122,500.00 Total. Actual Value $5.25

[oldflagswanted]

...almost a 100% true statement, but not quite

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[DR DOLCH]

Do you think that one gorget was made for every standarte or multiple amounts ?

[JoeW]

I think they were purchased/procured on an as needed basis. Consider the huge number of Political Organisation flags produced and the relative common apprearance of PO gorgets. Heer flags and Heer Fahnentrager Ringkragen are proportionally rare. The SA/SS gorget is more common considering the large number of SA and SS Standarts and Fahnen. But the SS Ringkragen is less common as it was introduced later and would have been additional cost to the various Allegemeine SS units. Then you have the Polizei Fahnentrager gorget that is super rare and rightly so, considering that perhaps less than 70 Standarts, Standers and Flags were issued.

[shaunuk]

D/E standards awarded 1923-38

1923 4 Sa
1926 8 Sa
1927 12 Sa
1929 24 Sa
1931 24 Sa
1933 118 Sa 8 Ss
1934 126 Sa 75 Ss
1935 36 Sa 40 Ss 28 Nskk
1936 25 Sa 3 Ss 35 Nskk
1937 30 Sa 1 Ss 34 Nskk 1 Polizei
1938 42 Sa 14 Ss 21 Nskk 16 Nsfk

Total 449 Sa 141 Ss 118 Nskk 1 Polizei 16 Nsfk
(acorging To Daten Der Geschichte Der Nsdap)

[oldflagswanted]

...about DE totals

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[dag001]

But only a hand full of these DE's have survived WW2,

and none that I know of with all of their original parts fully intact.

Actually I know of one that did! It was discovered in the LaPorte, Indiana area in the 1970's. If I remember correctly, it was sold at an OVMS show in Norwood. I think it went back to Europe.
I hate to be a tease, but darned if I can remember the name on the box. I remember that it came from the Tyrol in Austria. I have the name written down somewhere and if I can find it, I'll let you know.

[oldflagswanted]

...about the totally complete DE

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[dag001]

No, no cover.
It included the top, box, tassels, crossbar, flag and pole.

[JoeW]

This one was put together. I had the pole made for the finial/box and the flag/cords/crossbar. Sold to Burmeister at the SOS.

[JoeW]

Fahnentrager Ringkragen

1923 4 Sa
1926 8 Sa
1927 12 Sa
1929 24 Sa
1931 24 Sa
1933 118 Sa 8 Ss
1934 126 Sa 75 Ss
1935 36 Sa 40 Ss 28 Nskk
1936 25 Sa 3 Ss 35 Nskk
1937 30 Sa 1 Ss 34 Nskk 1 Polizei
1938 42 Sa 14 Ss 21 Nskk 16 Nsfk

Total 449 Sa 141 Ss 118 Nskk 1 Polizei 16 Nsfk
(acorging To Daten Der Geschichte Der Nsdap)

Thanks for this computation. When you add to the above figures the various numbers of party, SA, SS and other organization flags, the relative rarity of gorgets is apparent.

[dag001]

This is the closest I have ever come (or probably WILL ever come). This top came out of the coal bin/basement of a local vet in 1970. This was in response to an ad I had placed in the local newspaper.
Notice that the black finish of the swastika is gone. The vet said that was the way he found it in Hildesheim.

[dag001]

Here it is 35 years later at the 2006 MAX show.