Third Reich leaders personal handguns

[JAYP]

Adolf Hitlers Pistol from the West Point Museum.Jay Parisi

[vonLind]

JAYP,
Do you have some close ups?

[JAYP]

Hi,Sorry but that is the only pic that is sort of clear 2 others taken at another time but the are blurry Taken a long time ago with a cheap camera.Jay

[vonLind]

Hi JAYP,

Could this be the same pistol?

[vonLind]

Seen this one before?
Pictures from Rock Island Auction Company

[1933 FORD NUT]

Goerings luger

Page 201,202 and 203 .

Gibsons book " The Krieghoff Parabellum .

Could it be that you have some pictures or a link to more information?

[vonLind]

Thank’s for good information 1933 Ford Nut!

[mufasa]

Hermann Göring’s Smith & Wesson
Pictures from West Point Military Museum.

[mufasa]

Von Papen Luger

https://www.rockislandauction.com/bl...anged-history/

[vonLind]

mufasa, what beautiful piece!
The Wood details is just great!

[Alan Smith]

While it may seem odd to some enthusiasts, I've never had any interest in these fancy engraved pieces that (allegedly) belonged to; were presented to; and/or presented by or on behalf of high-level III Reich political and/or military leaders. To me, the weapons of the common soldier are much more interesting. Also, I suspect that a big part of my feelings are driven by the strong likelihood that many of these items are outright fakes; a fact that (IMO) dilutes and obscures the legitimate items that may be contained within the mix.


I have, however, always liked the S&W revolver that Herman Goering owned and was wearing at the time of his surrender to U.S. Forces. With Goering being known for owning so many fancy presentation-type European firearms, I assume that Goering likely had numerous pistols to choose from that he could have equipped himself with for the surrender. Out of these presumed multiple options, he choose a "plain vanilla" civilian revolver (admittedly of U.S. origin . . a fact that perhaps played some role in his selection of it). I also suspect that my interest in the Goering surrender pistol is driven primarily because it is so well documented in photos and chain-of-custody from Goering to its current location at the USMA museum in West Point, NY.


BTW: If anyone has an details on the origins of the Goering S&W pistol (especially where/when/how he came to acquire it) I would be very interested.

[Jeff V]

I am in agreement with Alan regarding these engraved pieces. They do nothing for me. Perhaps because the wheat is obscured by the chaff. So many fakes.

[JoeW]

Von Papen Luger

https://www.rockislandauction.com/bl...anged-history/

This pistol has some serious problems since it appeared on the collector market in the late 1990s. Anyone notice it has a sear safety, intended for police pistols?

[JoeW]

While it may seem odd to some enthusiasts, I've never had any interest in these fancy engraved pieces that (allegedly) belonged to; were presented to; and/or presented by or on behalf of high-level III Reich political and/or military leaders. To me, the weapons of the common soldier are much more interesting. Also, I suspect that a big part of my feelings are driven by the strong likelihood that many of these items are outright fakes; a fact that (IMO) dilutes and obscures the legitimate items that may be contained within the mix.

I have, however, always liked the S&W revolver that Herman Goering owned and was wearing at the time of his surrender to U.S. Forces. With Goering being known for owning so many fancy presentation-type European firearms, I assume that Goering likely had numerous pistols to choose from that he could have equipped himself with for the surrender. Out of these presumed multiple options, he choose a "plain vanilla" civilian revolver (admittedly of U.S. origin . . a fact that perhaps played some role in his selection of it). I also suspect that my interest in the Goering surrender pistol is driven primarily because it is so well documented in photos and chain-of-custody from Goering to its current location at the USMA museum in West Point, NY.

BTW: If anyone has an details on the origins of the Goering S&W pistol (especially where/when/how he came to acquire it) I would be very interested.

I can understand your feelings Alan, but aside from the bogus HG PPK and the questionable v Papen Luger and Goebbel's Mod 8, the other pieces shown here have "provenance" as good as the S&W supposedly used by Göring. It purportedly was acquired from a wholesaler in Hamburg, but how or when it went to HG is unknown.

The problem with a great many "presentation" pistols offered is that the pistol is a nice engraved gun with intials, but the seller, often an auction house, feels constrained to embellish the offering by creating ownership by associating the initials with an historical personage from the era. The PP above with GH was offered at auction as being presented to either Himmler's brother Gerhard or another famous person with intials GH. Really? With just intials? I enjoy finding a nice presenation piece and giving it the flesh and blood of the original owner.

I am in agreement with Alan regarding these engraved pieces. They do nothing for me. Perhaps because the wheat is obscured by the chaff. So many fakes.

Yes, there are fakes out there, but really not that many compared to original material. One has to educate themself as with an chosen collectible field.

[JoeW]

A third ridiculous fantasy piece presented as AH’s!

This is a legitimate post war engraved/plated P38. Notice the Ulm marking in the maker logo. No attempt to create a fantasy.