Saginaw Paratrooper M1 Carbine Opinions

[muddinman04]

Hey guys,
This carbine is for sale locally. What do you think? Is the stock a true paratrooper?





Thanks for your input!!

[Johnny Peppers]

The cutout in the left side of the stock doesn't look right, and the dent from the butt looks a little pat. Maybe better pictures would show something different.

[james m]

The only recognized manufacturer of folding stock carbines is Inland.
Jim

[muddinman04]

I know that is correct for WWII, but wasn't sure about carbines rebuilt post war. As in this one:
Saginaw Paratrooper Carbine

[ChrisCook]

M1A1 carbine

, Bad stock for starters, do some research on the CMP Carbine forums or the M1 Carbine forum on what to look for. Magazine has been altered (outright fake), I don't even like the carry bag. Also, Inland is the only recognized manufacturer of M1 "Paratrooper Carbines." You would start by looking at rivet construction of the leather cheekpiece, appropriate wear to the cheekpiece, correct firing proofmarks on the stock, and correct Inland markings as well.

Chris...

Note an original magazine:
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=180243743

[SMG1]

the stock appears to be one of the Italian repros they are decent but not obviously G.I.

[RayG]

Total repro stock. Wrong rivets and cutout for the butt plate when the stock is folded is wrong. Original cutout should be on an slight angle, Ray

[Matt]

M1a1

Only Inland made a "true" paratrooper carbine. Pass on the carbine.

[Alan Smith]

While we are on the topic, can anyone give me an approximate price range for a correct Inland M1A1 "paratrooper" carbine? I am working to obtain one locally that was purchased via the DCM back in the 1960's. The seller ordered it as an M1 from the DCM (and that is what is shown on the DCM papers for the gun), but the gun that was delivered by DCM was the paratrooper version.

I'm just looking for some ballpark prices so that I can make the guy an offer. For simplicity sake, let's assume the gun is 100% correct WWII (i.e. not messed with or rebuilt) and that it is in the 85% or better condition finish range.

Thanks!

Alan

[james m]

Alan:
The last ones I saw for sale were in th $2500 - $3000 range. I would think that "100% unmessed with" would certainly have an affect on value.
Jim

[ChrisCook]

M1A1 carbine

Follow the cmp auctions for awhile on genuine M1A1's....
http://auction.odcmp.com/auctions/index.asp

Did a quick look on gunbroker, 2500-3500$ for a real one seems average... Chris..

[Alan Smith]

Jim & Chris: thanks for the information and suggestions.

BTW: Has anyone else heard of a 1960's-era DCM carbine purchaser having received an M1A1 in response to having ordered a standard M-1? My understanding is that M1A1's were never advertised for sale by the DCM. The current owner (original DCM purchaser) of the carbine at issue states that he was "extremely surprised" to receive an M1A1 in response to his order.

[Johnny Peppers]

The military was pretty good a getting their designations right, so check the sales papers to see what it says. From 1930 until 1942 you could purchase a new 1903 or 1903A1 (C stock) Springfield 1903 service rifle through the NRA/DCM. If you ordered the 1903A1 they just changed the S stock to a C stock, and the designation on the sales receipt always listed either 1903 or 1903A1.
This is a copy of the original sales receipt from Springfield Research Service on a rifle I have, and the designation A1 has been typed in after the 1903. The 1903A1 was the 1903 rifle with a full pistol grip stock, which was first offered in 1929.

[Alan Smith]

Ok - I'll take a stab at posting a .pdf scan of the DCM paperwork that (per the current owner) allegedly came with an M1A1 carbine shipped by DCM from Anniston Army Depot in satisfaction of his NRA Voucher order. I have to confess that at this point I have not seen the carbine, but the owner assures me that it came from the DCM with the flip-type rear sight, no bayonet lug, and that the stock has GI inspector's marks. The guy is an old-time collector who has been a straight shooter with me over the years (my Japanese Type 99 LMG and German MG08 w/ sled mount that have been posted on this Forum both came from him at VERY reasonable prices).

Assuming the .pdf scan posts correctly, I would appreciate some help in understanding the data on the form, as I'm not sure what the gun's listed SN is or the date of the sale. Is the SN "66753"? If so, would this be in the correct range for an Inland M1A1?

Here we go:

[Gene]

To the original poster, what you've got is a postwar rebuild in a repro M1A1 stock. If the price is right, say $400 or so, I'd grab it.