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    Request for Opinions on Femaru Model 37 Pistol

    Greetings,

    I have been looking at several pistols that I could have deactivated here, some have been good options and some have not.

    I have viewed the listing of this pistol numerous times and it looks "right as rain" to me, but with this being a forum and there being many experts out there with piles of knowledge on certain subjects...I was hoping to get a few opinions on this pistol.

    It is a german marked Hungarian Femaru Model 37.

    The overall appearance and condition of it is good but the finish is very poor, this is actually one of the reasons I am in favour of this piece.

    I will check this thread over the next few days and will make this purchase if everything sounds good with the opinions I receive here.
    Like I said, it looks "right as rain" to me, but figured it doesn't hurt to have a few more opinions on such....nice to hear what others have to say.

    Here are the markings that have been described in the description:

    Caliber is 7.65mm

    4 inch (98mm) barrel

    8 shot magazine

    serrated wood grips

    proofmarks

    serial number matching on all numbered parts including the barrel

    jhv 41


    http://zefarm.net/productView.php?id=1328&cat_id=1

    Looking forward to hearing some feedback, thanks for your interest in this.....

    Duffy
    Last edited by duffy; 05-20-2009, 01:13 AM.

    #2
    Also.....I should include this here as well,

    I have heard slightly different information as to the usage of these.

    I've heard that strictly the Luftwaffe used them and then I have heard that no...not just the Luftwaffe used them, but so did the Army?

    Any input on this matter would be greatly appreciated as well.

    Thanks again.

    Duffy

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      #3
      Additional:

      Just looking more at the photos in the link, I noticed that the font of the number 3 matches on both the magazine and on the frame....but yet it is a different font than the match on the slide and barrel?
      Has anyone seen this before? If it were all original and matching, wouldn't the font all be the same? Just noticed this....



      Duffy

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        #4
        Duffy,

        If I remember correctly these pistols were bought by Luftwaffe through two different contracts, one placed 1941 and the other in 1943, totalling around 85,000 pistols. Thus it reasonable to assume the these pistols were delivered only to Luftwaffe personel (but I can't tell you for sure).

        The gun looks OK, although showing a lot of wear.

        Douglas

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          #5
          Douglas,

          Thanks very much for your input here....much appreciated.

          .................................................. .........

          Anyone else who can help me out? All info. is appreciated!
          I have been trying to search the web in regards to pictures of the
          stampings found on these pistols....so far I have come across a few which had
          two different fonts on their numbers.
          Can anyone fill me in, as to if this is normal or not?

          Duffy

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            #6
            I concurr with Douglas with the issue and use of these fine little pistols.

            As to this particular one..... I'd sure save my money and get a nicer one. I've seen one or two for double what you mention, but they were 4X the condition.

            Here is a link to a couple. One is REAL NICE, and a rig, the other is similiar to the one you show, at basically twice the pricel

            http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/P...ls%20Hungarian

            r
            The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act.

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              #7
              Ronnie Fry,

              Thank you for your input.
              I can see where you are coming from in regards to purchasing
              one in better condition.....I have been looking around since I had
              posted this and have came across a few really nice examples.

              Only problem is, I live in Canada and there doesn't seem to be many
              of these around here....or at least that I know of.
              Another thing that is not so great, is how these are under the class
              of "prohibited" here....I cannot get such a license as they don't grant
              them anymore to anyone.
              Basically, if a guy has it...great.
              If a guy doesn't have it....he is not able to get one.
              Not the best, I know......but that is why I am trying to find one and have
              it deactivated at least.

              The website that you have given here, they sure have some excellent
              pieces from time to time....I am always looking around and have visited
              this website several times.
              If only I was living in the states, I swear I would buy a handful of these little
              wartime pistols! I have been on the hunt here in Canada for several types
              to have deactivated, but haven't had any real luck.
              There always seems to be some type of problem with them....

              No matter if they are to be deactivated, I still believe it's normal to want them
              matching and original. Quite a large number of people here disagree with me.
              They figure it is going to be deactivated, why does it matter if they are
              reworked or mismatched?
              I just feel better as a buyer, knowing that the piece is all good....

              I have been thinking about another piece that this Cdn dealer has, maybe I should go
              ahead and ask what you think of the following idea....
              Out of 5, what would you think if I put a deactivated Model 1934 Beretta in
              with perhaps, a tropical Heer display?
              I thought it was a fairly cool idea....

              Anyhow, thanks for your time, I'll try to keep you posted on my findings here!

              Duffy
              Last edited by duffy; 05-24-2009, 05:05 AM.

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                #8
                Duff---
                Thank YOU for your considered reply. I am at fault in taking for granted the "freedom" that we now enjoy in the US. Hopefully we will continue to benefit from that. Tho I have my doubts......
                You explain that if "deacting" a pistol, it doesen't matter if matching or not. I do not completely disagree. But I will give you some advice that my "mentor" gave me many years ago. "Buy the best quality you can possibly afford, and you will never have to apologize for condition when you want to sell." This has stood me in good stead thru the years. I would only compromise this if the model is extremely rare in ANY condition.
                As to a Beretta in a Tropical Heer setting, ---- Go for it!! There were plenty of Italians in the African Campaigns.

                r
                The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act.

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                  #9
                  Duffy,

                  I'm with Ron here!

                  Save a few more dimes and go after a pistol in nicer condition. Check here:
                  http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H10450.html

                  Not the same pistol, but the same category. For 50% plus you can get a complete rig - and the pistols looks much better. These M1914 saw use both in the Wehrmacht (as private purchased guns by officers) as well as in the Police units.

                  And, as Ron said, it would be much more easier to sell it.

                  Greetings and good luck with your "hunting"!

                  Douglas

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                    #10
                    Ronnie Fry / Douglas Jr.


                    Thanks again for the opinions and information! Cheers.

                    It's certainly no fun not being able to obtain the license for these smaller
                    pistols! I sure wish they allowed such still....
                    It's also no fun having to buy them deactivated, but I figure if it means me
                    getting to have them after all....then it's worth it!

                    I still look for matching / original examples....despite the fact that it is just a
                    display gun....it just feels better knowing it's 100% correct.

                    I appreciate the positive remark towards the thought of the Italian Model
                    1934 pistol.....I just don't know much about the magazines
                    and what they should be marked, etc....for a correct marking for the Italian
                    army.
                    I've done a fair bit of research and found that there can be several markings
                    on these, ranging from the Italian Army / Italian Air Force / Export / German....
                    My next step would have to be finding out more on the mags.
                    I've got some decent old reference books on firearms, but nothing is really in
                    depth on the magazines.

                    Anyhow, here is the link to the beretta:


                    http://zefarm.net/productView.php?id=1565&cat_id=1


                    And just for kicks....here are a few more I was looking at:

                    http://zefarm.net/productView.php?id=1560&cat_id=1

                    http://zefarm.net/productView.php?id=1479&cat_id=1

                    http://zefarm.net/productView.php?id=1115&cat_id=1


                    Thanks once again for all efforts placed into this thread, it's greatly
                    appreciated.
                    Duffy

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                      #11
                      Duffy,

                      The Beretta 1934 rig looks straight as it can be! If you are looking for some decent 1934 issued to the Italian Army during WWII, I guess you found it. These rigs are not so often seen as far as I know.

                      Douglas
                      Last edited by Douglas Jr.; 05-25-2009, 07:20 PM. Reason: spelling!!!

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                        #12
                        Those are some wicked choices you offer Duff !! Yep, the Beretta is nice, but I'm a fool for Sauer & Son pistols. Very high quality. The Browning is nicely marked too... Hummm... A quandry, Sir!!

                        r
                        The probability of being watched is directly proportional to the stupidity of your act.

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                          #13
                          Sauer's grips seems to be a post-war reproduction and the holster is not a WWII-era piece, but the pistol itself is in great condition.

                          The Browning 1922 is one of my favorites pistols from WWII. Any comment from my mouth is highly biased...

                          Douglas

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                            #14
                            Ronnie Fry,

                            Cool....thanks for the compliments!
                            I'm trying to be somewhat original when it comes to which of the smaller
                            pistols I'd like deactivated....
                            The beretta m1934 is a decent looking shaped pistol I think, quite different
                            than most of the German designs, thought it would be a nice touch to a tropical display.
                            The Sauer 38 sure has a nice shape, this is one type I would definately like to have working! I'm a fan of the CZ pistols, although their design is quite different, especially the model 1938...
                            The M1922 pistols are nice as well, I like the German marked ones due to the finish being different than on a Belgian example.
                            If I remember correctly, I can own the Belgian ones but not the German marked ones....I would have to have those deactivated.
                            It has to do with the caliber.....

                            Duffy

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                              #15

                              Douglas Jr,

                              Hi, I thought the grips looked unusual but wasn't aware they were of post
                              war manufacture....thank you for the note on that.

                              If you like the M1922 pistols a lot....there are a few more on that website,
                              I believe there is a Belgian one and a Serbian marked one as well.
                              The Serbian one sounds quite rare....never heard of another.

                              There are several really good places in the United States for firearms,
                              I know of a few websites that carry some really, really nice pieces.

                              I am applying for two different firearm licenses here, one to be able to
                              purchase rifles and the other to purchase regular sized handguns.
                              Once I have these, I am definately going to pay for a dealer here to import
                              in a few pieces from the states for me....they are awesome!
                              It's better to have a dealer bring in such rather than an individual, as the
                              process is quicker from what I hear, and there a lot less hassles.
                              I will be moving in the next month, so I haven't sent my papers away
                              just yet....have to wait and get settled first.

                              If you or Ronnie Fry are in the market for anything, feel free to ask me as
                              you two have helped me out greatly here....I know where some really nice
                              firearms are on websites, I look around all the time!

                              Duffy

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