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**duffy** · 05-20-2009, 01:12 AM

Also.....I should include this here as well,

I have heard slightly different information as to the usage of these.

I've heard that strictly the Luftwaffe used them and then I have heard that no...not just the Luftwaffe used them, but so did the Army?

Any input on this matter would be greatly appreciated as well.

Thanks again.

Duffy

**duffy** · 05-20-2009, 02:49 AM

Additional:

Just looking more at the photos in the link, I noticed that the font of the number 3 matches on both the magazine and on the frame....but yet it is a different font than the match on the slide and barrel?
Has anyone seen this before? If it were all original and matching, wouldn't the font all be the same? Just noticed this....

Duffy

**Douglas Jr.** · 05-20-2009, 02:54 PM

Duffy,

If I remember correctly these pistols were bought by Luftwaffe through two different contracts, one placed 1941 and the other in 1943, totalling around 85,000 pistols. Thus it reasonable to assume the these pistols were delivered only to Luftwaffe personel (but I can't tell you for sure).

The gun looks OK, although showing a lot of wear.

Douglas

**duffy** · 05-21-2009, 12:45 AM

Douglas,

Thanks very much for your input here....much appreciated.

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Anyone else who can help me out? All info. is appreciated!
I have been trying to search the web in regards to pictures of the
stampings found on these pistols....so far I have come across a few which had
two different fonts on their numbers.
Can anyone fill me in, as to if this is normal or not?

Duffy

**Ronnie Fry** · 05-22-2009, 09:31 AM

I concurr with Douglas with the issue and use of these fine little pistols.

As to this particular one..... I'd sure save my money and get a nicer one. I've seen one or two for double what you mention, but they were 4X the condition.

Here is a link to a couple. One is REAL NICE, and a rig, the other is similiar to the one you show, at basically twice the pricel

http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/P...ls%20Hungarian

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**duffy** · 05-24-2009, 04:56 AM

Ronnie Fry,

Thank you for your input.
I can see where you are coming from in regards to purchasing
one in better condition.....I have been looking around since I had
posted this and have came across a few really nice examples.

Only problem is, I live in Canada and there doesn't seem to be many
of these around here....or at least that I know of.
Another thing that is not so great, is how these are under the class
of "prohibited" here....I cannot get such a license as they don't grant
them anymore to anyone.
Basically, if a guy has it...great.
If a guy doesn't have it....he is not able to get one.
Not the best, I know......but that is why I am trying to find one and have
it deactivated at least.

The website that you have given here, they sure have some excellent
pieces from time to time....I am always looking around and have visited
this website several times.
If only I was living in the states, I swear I would buy a handful of these little
wartime pistols! I have been on the hunt here in Canada for several types
to have deactivated, but haven't had any real luck.
There always seems to be some type of problem with them....

No matter if they are to be deactivated, I still believe it's normal to want them
matching and original. Quite a large number of people here disagree with me.
They figure it is going to be deactivated, why does it matter if they are
reworked or mismatched?
I just feel better as a buyer, knowing that the piece is all good....

I have been thinking about another piece that this Cdn dealer has, maybe I should go
ahead and ask what you think of the following idea....
Out of 5, what would you think if I put a deactivated Model 1934 Beretta in
with perhaps, a tropical Heer display?
I thought it was a fairly cool idea....

Anyhow, thanks for your time, I'll try to keep you posted on my findings here!

Duffy

**Ronnie Fry** · 05-24-2009, 05:15 PM

Duff---
Thank YOU for your considered reply. I am at fault in taking for granted the "freedom" that we now enjoy in the US. Hopefully we will continue to benefit from that. Tho I have my doubts......
You explain that if "deacting" a pistol, it doesen't matter if matching or not. I do not completely disagree. But I will give you some advice that my "mentor" gave me many years ago. "Buy the best quality you can possibly afford, and you will never have to apologize for condition when you want to sell." This has stood me in good stead thru the years. I would only compromise this if the model is extremely rare in ANY condition.
As to a Beretta in a Tropical Heer setting, ---- Go for it!! There were plenty of Italians in the African Campaigns.

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**Douglas Jr.** · 05-25-2009, 11:19 AM

Duffy,

I'm with Ron here!

Save a few more dimes and go after a pistol in nicer condition. Check here:
http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H10450.html

Not the same pistol, but the same category. For 50% plus you can get a complete rig - and the pistols looks much better. These M1914 saw use both in the Wehrmacht (as private purchased guns by officers) as well as in the Police units.

And, as Ron said, it would be much more easier to sell it.

Greetings and good luck with your "hunting"!

Douglas

**duffy** · 05-25-2009, 02:48 PM

Ronnie Fry / Douglas Jr.

Thanks again for the opinions and information! Cheers.

It's certainly no fun not being able to obtain the license for these smaller
pistols! I sure wish they allowed such still....
It's also no fun having to buy them deactivated, but I figure if it means me
getting to have them after all....then it's worth it!

I still look for matching / original examples....despite the fact that it is just a
display gun....it just feels better knowing it's 100% correct.

I appreciate the positive remark towards the thought of the Italian Model
1934 pistol.....I just don't know much about the magazines
and what they should be marked, etc....for a correct marking for the Italian
army.
I've done a fair bit of research and found that there can be several markings
on these, ranging from the Italian Army / Italian Air Force / Export / German....
My next step would have to be finding out more on the mags.
I've got some decent old reference books on firearms, but nothing is really in
depth on the magazines.

Anyhow, here is the link to the beretta:

http://zefarm.net/productView.php?id=1565&cat_id=1

And just for kicks....here are a few more I was looking at:

http://zefarm.net/productView.php?id=1560&cat_id=1

http://zefarm.net/productView.php?id=1479&cat_id=1

http://zefarm.net/productView.php?id=1115&cat_id=1

Thanks once again for all efforts placed into this thread, it's greatly
appreciated.
Duffy

**Douglas Jr.** · 05-25-2009, 07:17 PM

Duffy,

The Beretta 1934 rig looks straight as it can be! If you are looking for some decent 1934 issued to the Italian Army during WWII, I guess you found it. These rigs are not so often seen as far as I know.

Douglas

**Ronnie Fry** · 05-26-2009, 06:07 AM

Those are some wicked choices you offer Duff !! Yep, the Beretta is nice, but I'm a fool for Sauer & Son pistols. Very high quality. The Browning is nicely marked too... Hummm... A quandry, Sir!!

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**Douglas Jr.** · 05-26-2009, 08:14 AM

Sauer's grips seems to be a post-war reproduction and the holster is not a WWII-era piece, but the pistol itself is in great condition.

The Browning 1922 is one of my favorites pistols from WWII. Any comment from my mouth is highly biased...

Douglas

**duffy** · 05-26-2009, 10:12 AM

Ronnie Fry,

Cool....thanks for the compliments!
I'm trying to be somewhat original when it comes to which of the smaller
pistols I'd like deactivated....
The beretta m1934 is a decent looking shaped pistol I think, quite different
than most of the German designs, thought it would be a nice touch to a tropical display.
The Sauer 38 sure has a nice shape, this is one type I would definately like to have working! I'm a fan of the CZ pistols, although their design is quite different, especially the model 1938...
The M1922 pistols are nice as well, I like the German marked ones due to the finish being different than on a Belgian example.
If I remember correctly, I can own the Belgian ones but not the German marked ones....I would have to have those deactivated.
It has to do with the caliber.....

Duffy

**duffy** · 05-26-2009, 10:24 AM

Douglas Jr,

Hi, I thought the grips looked unusual but wasn't aware they were of post
war manufacture....thank you for the note on that.

If you like the M1922 pistols a lot....there are a few more on that website,
I believe there is a Belgian one and a Serbian marked one as well.
The Serbian one sounds quite rare....never heard of another.

There are several really good places in the United States for firearms,
I know of a few websites that carry some really, really nice pieces.

I am applying for two different firearm licenses here, one to be able to
purchase rifles and the other to purchase regular sized handguns.
Once I have these, I am definately going to pay for a dealer here to import
in a few pieces from the states for me....they are awesome!
It's better to have a dealer bring in such rather than an individual, as the
process is quicker from what I hear, and there a lot less hassles.
I will be moving in the next month, so I haven't sent my papers away
just yet....have to wait and get settled first.

If you or Ronnie Fry are in the market for anything, feel free to ask me as
you two have helped me out greatly here....I know where some really nice
firearms are on websites, I look around all the time!

Duffy

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