New Assault Weapon Ban Coming

[Douglas Jr.]

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[Soldat de Fer]

Hello
Maybe "these" people in power should spend their time on reviving the economy , putting people back to work etc... before even thinking of ban on whatever !!!. This is how people should fight back .
Regarding a ban on weapon due to the violence in Mexico , is simply insulting our intelligence !!! if the weapons so easily cross the border , than the problem is not with weapons , but with the "Swiss Cheese like " border . I do travel a lot on the international level , and the airport security is just a BIG farce , they make us remove our shoes etc... while at the same time 10 of thousand of illegal , tons of drugs etc , etc... freely cross the southern borders of the US . Once again , this is on these point that people should use to fight back any bans , make the government responsible for all that crap , point the fingers on them , they will not like it and quickly change the subject when it gets too hot ...
The bans should be on the criminals elements and enforcing the 1000's of laws ,regulations etc... already into place .
The problem you have here in the US is that 90% of the people can not think for themselves , " their opinions and what to believe in " having been fed to them by someone else !!! hard to win anything with such a mentality really .
Regards
P-Y

[phild]

Hello
Maybe "these" people in power should spend their time on reviving the economy , putting people back to work etc... before even thinking of ban on whatever !!!. This is how people should fight back .
Regarding a ban on weapon due to the violence in Mexico , is simply insulting our intelligence !!! if the weapons so easily cross the border , than the problem is not with weapons , but with the "Swiss Cheese like " border . I do travel a lot on the international level , and the airport security is just a BIG farce , they make us remove our shoes etc... while at the same time 10 of thousand of illegal , tons of drugs etc , etc... freely cross the southern borders of the US . Once again , this is on these point that people should use to fight back any bans , make the government responsible for all that crap , point the fingers on them , they will not like it and quickly change the subject when it gets too hot ...
The bans should be on the criminals elements and enforcing the 1000's of laws ,regulations etc... already into place .
The problem you have here in the US is that 90% of the people can not think for themselves , " their opinions and what to believe in " having been fed to them by someone else !!! hard to win anything with such a mentality really .
Regards
P-Y

The problems "caused by guns" that gun control advocates cite (many of those that you mentioned) are just straw dogs. The only problem that gun control will solve is the Left's ability to sieze your property and essentially your person without a fight and that is precisely the only problem that they want to solve in the near future.

We know that the guns going over the border is a joke and that the border itself is a joke. It is just another thing to throw against the wall and see if it will stick. The gun control masses (not the leadership) is driven totaly by emotion and there is no need to try and present facts and logical thought to counter it. If you look at every major watershed piece of legislation for the last 150 years you will find that a similar model was used. It is not always successful so it is worth fighting for what is right, but this is a formula for control not a responsible solution to any social problem.

[Bob Hritz]

I personally believe that in 100 years, no individual, globally, will leagally be allowed to own a firearn. The day of government supervising every aspect of your life will be the norm and most people will be too busy trying to earn their next meal to worry about the nicities of having shooting sports of collecting of anything. It is all over boys, the glory days of the US are about over. I was lucky to have lived through the 1950s and 1960s when anything was possible, moms stayed home with their children,. and a man could work and support his family, afford a home, and drive a decent automobile. Today, tell your 18 year old that he will have a good job, be buying his first house and drive a decent car, in the next 4 years. My generation did, but it has not been so easy for following generations as government has robbed people of their income, choices, and has sent jobs to Third World countries theough oft ridiculous regulation.

I am sad for my children and grandchildren. Dont tell me to take up arms against the government. It is too late to throw spitballs at a battleship.

Bob Hritz

[Rich Moran]

When one cosiders that the world is just mere footsteps from a man made calamity that we all in the world face, how is it we sit by and allow this to happen?

As during WWII in Germany when they came and took the things in life that were important no one said or DID anything. We have read this in the words " when they came and took my weapons I said nothing, when they came and took my neighbor I said nothing, when they came to take me....."

It's not just America, as we have Pakistan/Taliban, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Palestinian/Isralia issue, Somali and all woven by the thread of the religious zealots.

What would happen if the Pakis loose their nuclear arms to the Taliban?

And if Chevez ends up close and personal at the border of Mexico (how many illegals are in the US & are these guys going to be allies with Chavez?) with his Army of drug lords and Cuba reinforced by Russia & Chavez we here will have major issues.

The Taliban I think are in cahoots with Russia and on the sly so they will be knocking on Europes front door. You in Europe have had your leaders work against you for much longer time than as here in the US.

The path is similar but taken later here in the US regarding firemarms and disarmament.

Obama grew up in Hawaii, and our gun laws are the most stringent in the nation. No conceal carry permits are written. if I want a 1918 Luger, I have to gain permit. That requires taking hunter safety lessons for a center fire weapon. My military 201 file does not count what so ever. I have been trained with some serious stuff back in 1968 but nope, that does not count for basic firearm safety. My favorite was the LAW for shoulder firing, and what an incredibally devastating weapon.

The Hawaii state Legislature is always trying to get new laws passed which are stiffer. Hawaii Historic Arms Society has fought at the legislature for gunners rights. If you don't organize or get involved with a historical group please stop to consider your lobby effort as a combined group. I don't want to go into the service side of that, but the money you spend at that level goes to support gunners rights and not fancy offices. Also if you live close to military bases shooting fares for the public are supported by the military one form or another if asked.

Before I sign off below, there ares some things in this thread that are best left as cause you never know who is reading this.

Finally, If you let them do it, they will disarm all of us.

[phild]

Like I have written often before, there is a fight already and has been for a long time. If that was not the case and if the 2nd amendment did not protect the right without question, we would have lost our firearms (and everything else) a long time go. None of this is new is what I am trying to say.

One thing that world history can teach us is that freedom is cyclic. Despots come and go. When people get feed up enough with the mess that they have made for themselves they will clean it up or perish.

I doubt that I will be around long enough to see the boiling point reached so for all the poor dumb SOBs who are younger than me and who will, I say good luck and remember that I told you so!

[TJ Suter]

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[Johnnie]

I'm not so sure Bob. Old farts like us find it easy to be pessimistic and miss the "good ole days". But I see a lot of young folk out there that are waking up a bit. They don't get the attention in the news media. Only the idiots do.
Maby our children's children will restore the Republic we and our fathers let slide away.

Johnnie

I personally believe that in 100 years, no individual, globally, will leagally be allowed to own a firearn. The day of government supervising every aspect of your life will be the norm and most people will be too busy trying to earn their next meal to worry about the nicities of having shooting sports of collecting of anything. It is all over boys, the glory days of the US are about over. I was lucky to have lived through the 1950s and 1960s when anything was possible, moms stayed home with their children,. and a man could work and support his family, afford a home, and drive a decent automobile. Today, tell your 18 year old that he will have a good job, be buying his first house and drive a decent car, in the next 4 years. My generation did, but it has not been so easy for following generations as government has robbed people of their income, choices, and has sent jobs to Third World countries theough oft ridiculous regulation.

I am sad for my children and grandchildren. Dont tell me to take up arms against the government. It is too late to throw spitballs at a battleship.

Bob Hritz

[busterz111]

Think this whole Ban topic is being pushed by the dealers who have overstock ammo and Guns.I live In Cook County Illinois and Guess what....Our ban was never lifted : ) so we cant have any AR's of any type.Do people own them?...YES but no ones knocking at our doors.

[phild]

Think this whole Ban topic is being pushed by the dealers who have overstock ammo and Guns.I live In Cook County Illinois and Guess what....Our ban was never lifted : ) so we cant have any AR's of any type.Do people own them?...YES but no ones knocking at our doors.

The term "ban" is a misnomer as it relates to the previous federal legislation on these semi-autos (they are not assault weapons first off).

You may be like several other states that have impossed bans on ownership...much like the recently overturned D.C. ban!

The previous federal legislation did not address ownership (therefore not really a "ban"), but rather specified via a confusing array of meaningless and mainly cosmetic characteristics some types of firearms (and magazines) that could not long be manufactured or imported and in some cases either one.

So while I like seeing everyone freak out when the word ban is mentioned, there was not a federal ban on what could be owned in this respect......and that would have never passed in the 1990s...hence it was not attempted.

The Democrates have won the majority in both Houses of Congress by finding, running and the people electing dozens of "small town-middle of the road, mom and apple pie" candidates during the last 2 elections. Few if any of these candidates would have been elected if they were anti-gun....from the particular districts that they came from (former Republican voting majority) so it will be interesting to see if they want to keep their seats by voting more or less conservative or risk loosing them to vote with the leadership on a whole host of issues.

I realize that we are not supossed to talk politics here and that is not my intent...as the above are hard facts and not opinion. It has to be realized that anytime gun control is brought up as a topic there will be a reference to politics....as that is all that particular subject is about.

[N.C. Wyeth]

Keep it simple; this topic, and all of the other topics we fret over every day, are nothing more than another tool being used by those of greater wealth against those of lesser wealth . . . we are nothing more than pawns being played against each other in a game that the wealthy use to continually increase the amount of lining in their pockets . . .

Preying on our fears and keeping us divided is the best way to ensure that we are conquered . . .

Brad

[Gene]

Huh? Wealth? When the attorney general says he wants to reinstate the assault weapon ban, I don't care if you're a multi-jillionaire or if you live in a double wide. A ban like this affects everyone regardless of wealth.

[phild]

Huh? Wealth? When the attorney general says he wants to reinstate the assault weapon ban, I don't care if you're a multi-jillionaire or if you live in a double wide. A ban like this affects everyone regardless of wealth.

Gene, This is not entirely true. Many of the ownership restriction type pieces of legislation that have been floated over the last 20 years have contained "exemption" clauses for many levels of federal, state and retired from same employees. This aspect gets no mention, but it is in the fine print as I have bothered to labor through many of these proposed bills...which seems to be more than the ones voting on them have done as of late!

This is typical of the truth behind all of these notions of an equal society where everyone is a comrade....they are in reality the most class based structure that one can imagine.....an elite ruling class and then everyone else.

[N.C. Wyeth]

Gene, This is not entirely true. Many of the ownership restriction type pieces of legislation that have been floated over the last 20 years have contained "exemption" clauses for many levels of federal, state and retired from same employees. This aspect gets no mention, but it is in the fine print as I have bothered to labor through many of these proposed bills...which seems to be more than the ones voting on them have done as of late!

phild has it right - this where we all go wrong at times: wealth and politics can work together against those of neither influence. When we fail to recognize the partnership working against us, that is when we become a pawn . . .

A ban such as this does not affect everyone in the same manner.

Brad

[Johnnie]

I bought two AKs back during the "ban" in the politically correct configuration. I spent the extra money to buy the American made parts to retro fit them back to original configuration. All legal.

Johnnie