New Assault Weapon Ban Coming

[Bill Grist]

Read it and weep fellers. The reasons given this time are: Mexicans upset that guns are being smuggled into their country, and of course "cop killer" bullets something or other, blah blah blah.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6960824&page=1

gun factory


The US/ Mexican gun problem is all BS, it is the anti-gunners trying to get gun control legislation pased under the Mexican ruse..Venezuela Hugo Chavez has been shipping Guns to Mexican Comminust for some time now.. Who wants a US semi-auto Assault rifle when you can get the real thing free.....BILL

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez says his country has ordered 24 Russian-made Sukhoi fighter jets and is planning to build South America's first factory to make Kalashnikov machine guns.
The Sukhois would replace a fleet of U.S.-made F16 fighters that cannot be properly maintained because of an arms and spare parts embargo announced by Washington last month.

Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez gestures during a news conference on April 11, 2003.
(Leslie Mazoch/ Associated Press)

The United States considers Chavez's left-of-centre government a destabilizing influence in Latin America.
Chavez is Cuban leader Fidel Castro's closest ally in the region, and the state department accuses the Venezuelan head of supporting leftist guerrilla groups in Colombia.
Lavish weapon spending
Soaring profits from Venezuela's oil exports have helped the president spend lavishly on new weapons acquisitions which he says are needed for a potential future conflict with the United States.
Recent purchases have included 100,000 automatic rifles from Russia
Speaking during a ceremony to present the new rifles to soldiers in Caracas, Chavez said his government would soon build a factory to produce Kalashnikov machine guns.
Chavez, a former paratrooper, was first elected president in 1998, and has since consolidated his support among poor Venezuelans.
His opponents accuse him of repressing dissent and wasting government money on grandiose schemes.

[ChrisCook]

AWB from dems

Man, this thread has taken off like wildfire. Things look bleak in this country, I'm only 38, but this is the most unsettled I have ever felt about the future of our country(many issues, but guns is one of the biggies for me). We can all sit here and discuss the issues, but I urge all of you to make your voices heard. Contact your congressmen and senators, write editorials, I personally have been creating three to four emails a week informing my less politically inclined friends of the real issues (not just what the drive by media tells them). If you are concerned about which way this new adminstration is taking us then you must make your voice heard....don't go down w/o a fight!!!!!! If anyone wants to PM their email address to me I'll add you to my list of emails that I send out on a regular basis to get folks involved. All "great" totalitarian regimes started with the disarmament of their citizens, the populance cannot be trusted, only the government. Chris...

[PlaceOfBayonets]

Unless you are prepared to shoot the local police officer and federal forces that would be sent in if there is a lot of you, don't bother stocking up on uppers and you might as well sell some of the guns you do have before they are banned and then confiscated.
You might consider burying your guns. Of course you cannot shoot them if they are underground either.
Have a plan, band together, play to win or don't bother to play at all.

W.

[Jason]

For 20 years I collected assault rifles.....just cashed in,and wow.Re Invested my money in German WWII.There will always be someone to profit Hope my C+R will protect me as a valid registered collector.

[Suber]

Unless you are prepared to shoot the local police officer and federal forces that would be sent in if there is a lot of you, don't bother stocking up on uppers and you might as well sell some of the guns you do have before they are banned and then confiscated.
You might consider burying your guns. Of course you cannot shoot them if they are underground either.
Have a plan, band together, play to win or don't bother to play at all.

W.

There are MANY purchases that are OFF the record at least for me! There is NO way that it is humanly possible to disarm this country door to door. It will not happen. The future purchase and restriction of said firearms is the REAL concern. They cant even protect our borders, so what makes you think they will possibly have the man power to go door to door and take your weapons.

[dhunter93]

There are MANY purchases that are OFF the record at least for me! There is NO way that it is humanly possible to disarm this country door to door. It will not happen. The future purchase and restriction of said firearms is the REAL concern. They cant even protect our borders, so what makes you think they will possibly have the man power to go door to door and take your weapons.

If you are a white male you have no rights. You are a white racist Nazi lover, you took down the federal building, you didn’t vote for “The One”, you cling to guns and religion, you are against the undocumented, you are the bumbling idiot on every TV commercial, the butt of every joke, the fool who gives you tax dollars to the scum of our country, and one who will talk of revolution but will be the first to hand over your gun.

They will not need to go door to door, the white male will conveniently bring the gun to them.

[Josh Beckett]

I think you need to give Michael Phelps his bong back. The Attorney General of the United States has announced his intention so posts like yours, that we have nothing to really worry about, and pro-gun Dems are looking out for gun owners, are truly myopic. This isn't leftist rhetoric on the part of AG Holder, it is unsurprising talk of another gun ban based on what is happening in Mexico. This clown should be demanding a wall be built on the border to preclude the crime he is lamenting but true to his politics, he is blaming the gun.

Holder is an idiot, there is no way to get around it. Niether he or the president can introduce legislation, our president is an idiot as well. The libs are going to be reluctant to put pass anything as crazy as an assault weapons ban, not saying that they arent idiot enough to do it, but some are going to be reluctant to pass it. Just because of something stupid an idiot attorney general says doesnt mean its actually going to happen. I agree that it will come someday, but it wont happen tommorrow(I hope). BTW, I am in no way justifying Obama, I just believe that there is alot of people who are too jumpy when it comes to politicians making promises about guns. I'd like for the guy who said I need to learn more about our legislative process, I beat out the AP Government kids on the Government final exams here( I got a 98%, and I was the only one out of 200 some odd kids who knew who the Solicitor General was and what his job was).

Plus, we cant keep just blaming the democrats for gun control, president Bush said he would sign an assault weapons ban, his dad banned the import of assault weapons through executive order, and Paul Helmke is a republican(dont let me forget to mention a certain govenator who banned lead ammo and made his state the first one to have microstamping). Politicians arent dem or GOP based on their view of gun ownership. Hell, most politicians arent trustworthy anyway, they would turn their backs on you if it meant more power.

I strongly disagree with you Josh. A lot of dems did learn that anti-gun stances were bad for them, however, look at the leadership.
Look at Obamas past statements on firearms, look at the history of Rahm Emmanuel and Eric Holder, our new Attorney General. Consider the legislation and mentality that comes out of California politics, then look no further than Nancy Pelosi. Right now there is some serious distractions with the economy, but this issue will rear it's ugly head. Also be prepared for "back door" legislation while everyone is focused on the economy.
The last thing to consider.....Supreme Court Nominations. I'm buying now while the getting's good. Change is here, and it's not pretty for gunowners.

Chris....

I was incorrect at stating most dems that got elected this election were pro gun dems. Many of the pro gun repubs from conservative areas who were replaced by dems were replaced by pro gun democrats, but then again, when their leaders are rabidly anti gun, their pro gun stance might not stay pro gun. Chris, I stand corrected. Pretty much Obamas entire cabinet is anti-gun, and I didnt consider that when I posted my previous statement.

I would like to vent a little bit. way before the election I had planned on building an AR15, I got some of the parts and was looking for a colt lower and colt upper. I bought a DSA lower after the election because I realized I needed to act now(not because I am afraid of a ban, but because I am afraid I wont be able to afford one later). I cant even get an upper now because of all of the panic buying(nothing wrong with it, its your second amendment right just as much as its mine, but there is something wrong with buying 5 or 6 uppers that you wont even use, and yes, I know people who have bought as much as ten uppers or stripped lowers). But I got lucky(maybe blessed), 30 or so minutes after I posted my earlier comment, I found an old email address, and what do you know, this address is to a company that deals in guns. And they had original vietnam era USGI colt M16 uppers, so I am good to go. They dont have handguards, bolts, bolt carriers, or charging handles, but whats another 200 dollars.

[BryanD]

Everybody voted for Americas favorite Negro simply because he was black. Now he is going to push for "COMMON SENSE" gun laws on the federal level. Common sense to the Brady crowd , which he is one of, is no guns period.
Americas BIGGEST MISTAKE was electing Obama simply because of his complexion. I am afraid the USA will deeply regret this particular choice in the near future.

[PlaceOfBayonets]

There are MANY purchases that are OFF the record at least for me! There is NO way that it is humanly possible to disarm this country door to door. It will not happen. The future purchase and restriction of said firearms is the REAL concern. They cant even protect our borders, so what makes you think they will possibly have the man power to go door to door and take your weapons.

They don't have to that is the beauty of it! Each gun owner will become a criminal and be dealt with one at a time. So you will be on your own one at a time. And no one will come to your aid because they don't want to die, like you will, if you resist.

W.

[Suber]

They don't have to that is the beauty of it! Each gun owner will become a criminal and be dealt with one at a time. So you will be on your own one at a time. And no one will come to your aid because they don't want to die, like you will, if you resist.

W.

This is absurd, and at the least some Orson Wellian theory at best! The ATF, DEA, and the local Polizei have MUCH more on their plate dealing with the REAL Criminals that are committing violent crimes with handguns (Primarily) to keep them busy for 200 more years to come. What makes you think they will come knocking at every registered LEGAL gun owner with the SWAT team ready for a shoot out.

[bigschuss]

Some interesting comments. IMHO pro-gun liberal politician's are like wolves in sheep's clothing. Gain your confidence, get close and chummy, and then go for the throat. Dukakis tried it with the ridiculous tank ride and Kerry tried it with that ridiculous Ohio "goose hunt" just before the election. Both are examples of hopelessly transparent and pathetic attempts by "pro-gun" libs to soften the underbelly and gain favor of the gun owning right.

I'll give Obama his fair chance. He's my president now, and I'm not going to engage in name calling or hyperbole. In the meantime I continue to collect firearms and keep on the look-out for any sheep coming down the lane who also happen to have canine teeth and big pointy ears.

And while I don't think it will ever happen, if the day truly comes that ATF guys in black BDU's come door to door looking for weapons....I'd have to agree with PlaceofBayonets....every gun owning American will have to decide then and there to put up, or shut up.

[Suber]

If you are a white male you have no rights. You are a white racist Nazi lover, you took down the federal building, you didn’t vote for “The One”, you cling to guns and religion, you are against the undocumented, you are the bumbling idiot on every TV commercial, the butt of every joke, the fool who gives you tax dollars to the scum of our country, and one who will talk of revolution but will be the first to hand over your gun.

They will not need to go door to door, the white male will conveniently bring
the gun to them.

They will not need to go door to door, the white male will conveniently bring the gun to them.[/QUOTE]

Not this white male, I will indeed not be handing over my firearms.

[Suber]

Some interesting comments. IMHO pro-gun liberal politician's are like wolves in sheep's clothing. Gain your confidence, get close and chummy, and then go for the throat. Dukakis tried it with the ridiculous tank ride and Kerry tried it with that ridiculous Ohio "goose hunt" just before the election. Both are examples of hopelessly transparent and pathetic attempts by "pro-gun" libs to soften the underbelly and gain favor of the gun owning right.

I'll give Obama his fair chance. He's my president now, and I'm not going to engage in name calling or hyperbole. In the meantime I continue to collect firearms and keep on the look-out for any sheep coming down the lane who also happen to have canine teeth and big pointy ears.

And while I don't think it will ever happen, if the day truly comes that ATF guys in black BDU's come door to door looking for weapons....I'd have to agree with PlaceofBayonets....every gun owning American will have to decide then and there to put up, or shut up.

And the LAST part of your statement Big, is that OUR Democracy is NOT that idiotic! The Feds , and locals are not going to create a POLICE state where they are willing to risk the lives of "innocent" citizens in an effort to disarm the "innocent". That is simply my opinion. One cannot use Waco as a template for things to come in middle-class neighborhoods around the country.

[Suber]

Josh, the separation of one who hoards uppers and lowers vs. the individual who simply wants one or two for a build is driven by the strong chance that this "ban" may in fact be permanent this go around, with no sunset clause. Perhaps it is fear-mongering from some of the gun sponsoring types, but there are indications that this time it may just be for real. If that is the case it will take years of legislation, and LOTS of lobbying to change that.

[bigschuss]

The Feds , and locals are not going to create a POLICE state where they are willing to risk the lives of "innocent" citizens in an effort to disarm the "innocent". That is simply my opinion. One cannot use Waco as a template for things to come in middle-class neighborhoods around the country.

I agree.

Instead they will tax the living heck out of them, and make it as painful as they possibly can to own them, just like here in Mass.