I pondered this thought last night, after returning from the gun range. I really do wonder if the elected officials such as, Pelosi, Boxer, Kerry, Schumer, Reid, Biden, etc. ever grew up around firearms, and lived that life as a child. I really do think that peoples attitudes towards firearms and the sport of shooting is a learned traight. Many of us here in this thread I would bet were shooting rifles and pistols when they were knee-high to a Grasshopper. I certainly was. My daughter is 12 and has been shooting for a few years now and absolutley LOVES it. She can ding the chicken sillohette at 50 yards with the .17 HMR all day long 5/5 each time.
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Reid is actually somewhat pro gun from what I hear. His record is mixed, he is for prohibiting aid to the UN if they try to ban guns and he is for prohibiting lawsuits against gun makers, plus he voted against the assault weapons ban, but he was for the brady bill and is for background checks at gun shows(which are less draconian than the assault weapons ban, but still unnacceptable in my view). Remember, not all dems are anti-gun.Originally posted by Suber View PostComment
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What you say above is true. I do think that it is important to understand and so state that actually the so-called Gun Show Loophole is not about simply mandatory background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows...that is already the law. The legislation mandates that PRIVATE CITIZENS who sell a gun at a show have a background check performed on the buyer!!!Originally posted by Josh Beckett View Post
They now call these private citizens who occasionally sell firearms...un-licensed dealers! Anyone with half a brain can see where this is going.Comment
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Wery well written Bob, and guess what..the same things are happening here in Norway to. Exactly the same thing.Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post
There is a board consisting of elected members giving the central weapon administration recomending for the new weapon law wich came last year.
The administration worked total oposite of the elected border and gave a very limited number of weapons to own. The total weapon wardrobe for people to own was about 5 ? weapons. Very hard to get 2 weapons of the same caliber and for collectors of live firearms a harder time regarding stricter laws etc. etc.
All this is no coinsidense IMO, the red left labour party has their agenda and they do for sure have contact with their sister partys in U.K. and other countrys.
The shooting in the streets has increased and is done mostly by pakistani gangs with illegar imported weapons, and the politicians are using that as a excuse to make it harder or impossible to obtain weapons for the legal shooter.
Why they bother to make it harder for legal citizens is a mystery to me as the crimminals hardly get any punishment at all it they just hurt another with guns.
Three polish guys just kicked a man to death for no reason here and it was caught on tape. The man who did the deadly kick in the victims head got 4 (four) years and will be out on proberbly 2, what a shame. And we the legal people are getting a hard time doing shooting sport...
I do not know the agenda why many countrys want to ban or make it hard legal citisens from having a weapon but is is clearly a agenda wich runs trough the western world in these times of terror.Comment
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You guys have problems with Paki's in Norway too huh? I thought that England had trouble with this lot as well,,,now theres a great reason for owning a gun if I heard one!Comment
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Awb
Take a friend shooting, and encourage them to bring their kids, my dad grew up in a time and place where every kid has a .22, they all went shooting, and it was never an issue, that idea is so foreign to most folks. (Our neighbor, who was raised in ND of all places came down to check on his daughter last summer while she was playing with my kids, I was reloading in the garage, he asked what I was doing and I explained it to him, it was well over a week before his kids started showing up again at the house, you could tell he was mortified over the thought of guns). Unfortunately the days of stamp collecting, coin collecting, kids playing army (that's how I got my start in this hobby of collecting), and shooting has been replaced by nintendo and Wii. Sad but true.... Chris...Originally posted by Suber View PostComment
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It will certainly be interesting to see where this ends up...the legislation proposals, not this thread! It seems to me that there was this sort of thing going on in the early 90's as well, wasn't there. There was a threat of an all out ban? I will simply state now what I thought about this "ban" now....criminals or persons who intend to use guns for illegal reasons do not generally go to the local gun shop and purchase their own weapons. No, they are the ones that buy them from smugglers, terrorists, or others out to do us harm. Or, they just break into our homes and those of our neighbors and steal them. A stolen gun shoots just as well as a legally purchased weapon does, right? So to take away the law abiding citizens right to legally and responsibly own any firearm of his/her discretion simply removes one tool from the law-abiders arsenal to protect life and property that is rightfully theirs under the Constitution.
My pistols, which I can legally carry concealed or otherwise, have never decided on their own to jump up and commit a crime by themselves. It is the people behind the weapons that commit these heinous acts.
Again, law abiding citizens follow the law and should not have restrictions put on firearms that they can purchase or own! Besides, what is the definition of an assault weapon anyway? I know a few people who have modified shotguns and semi-auto hunting rifles into something just as fierce as any military supplied individual weapon!
Brian Dentino
ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WWII GLIDER INFO/ITEMS...ESPECIALLY 325TH GIRComment
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Yes, these kind of attempts have been going on since the so-called (but NOOOT!) ban of the early 90s and many decades before. As usual the gun owners turn agianst one another and take on a defeatest attitiude! In spite of that we still have our guns even after almost 70 years of the Left tying to take them.Originally posted by Brian Dentino View PostIt will certainly be interesting to see where this ends up...the legislation proposals, not this thread! It seems to me that there was this sort of thing going on in the early 90's as well, wasn't there. There was a threat of an all out ban? I will simply state now what I thought about this "ban" now....criminals or persons who intend to use guns for illegal reasons do not generally go to the local gun shop and purchase their own weapons. No, they are the ones that buy them from smugglers, terrorists, or others out to do us harm. Or, they just break into our homes and those of our neighbors and steal them. A stolen gun shoots just as well as a legally purchased weapon does, right? So to take away the law abiding citizens right to legally and responsibly own any firearm of his/her discretion simply removes one tool from the law-abiders arsenal to protect life and property that is rightfully theirs under the Constitution.
My pistols, which I can legally carry concealed or otherwise, have never decided on their own to jump up and commit a crime by themselves. It is the people behind the weapons that commit these heinous acts.
Again, law abiding citizens follow the law and should not have restrictions put on firearms that they can purchase or own! Besides, what is the definition of an assault weapon anyway? I know a few people who have modified shotguns and semi-auto hunting rifles into something just as fierce as any military supplied individual weapon!
None of this is about crime reduction, safety or even saving the children! If you beleive that then you (anyone not you in particular) are a dupe. It is about control pure and simple.Last edited by phild; 03-03-2009, 04:06 PM.Comment
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Assault ban
The one appointee of Obama's that REALLY gives me concern is his Attorney General, Holder. Saw him a few days ago reeling about how rascist this country still is---Hm'm seems we just elected our first black president and then two days later he gave his recommendation on re-instituting the assault weapons ban. Doesn't appear he is really very NRA friendly which equates not friendly to many of the people on this forum. I think we have to be especially concerned about many of the anti-gun people in this new administration during the initial stage of this administration. In many cases they really like to do the "dirty" work very quickly in the hopes of getting their agenda done and that the majority of the people will have short memories when it comes to the next election. This is why it is so important to contact our representatives now and make our voices heard before they are forgotten. Just my two cents. TomtComment
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New AWB
Just ran into info on this yesterday......
http://www.progunleaders.org/DDTC/
Seems like the government doesn't need an outright ban, they'll just "regulate" everything into non-existence. Chris...Comment
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It is more of a money making scheme than a regulation scheme. I deal with the ITAR provisions every day and it is just one of MANY fees and essentially hidden taxes and shake downs that a business has to pay to stay in business.Originally posted by ChrisCook View PostComment
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Originally posted by Suber View Post
The majority of your dues money goes for the fancy offices, leased cars, travel expenses, and printing and postage to recruit more members to pay for the lifestyle of the NRA directors. Year after year, the NRA is happy to work with the legislators on 'reasonable gun laws'.
What a pile of sh!t the NRA has become.
Bob HritzIn the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.
Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.Comment
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Ever heard someone say, "They could sell sand to the Arab's" before?Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post
I find it curious how often so many of us play the part of an Arab in so many situations.
So many causes, organizations, news-stories, commentaries, headlines, rumors, mail-promotions, billboards, packages, street signs, television commercials, info-mercials, co-worker conversations at the Office water-coolers, radio-personalities - the list could go on forever . . .
It's really not all that difficult for someone to persuade us to believe or buy-into just about anything nowadays - and just like so many other organizations, the NRA picked up on this idea a LONG time ago . . .Comment
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Originally posted by ChrisCook View Post
I agree fully, both my little ones shoot anytime that I go to the range. I was one of those kids that carried a Pellet gun, ot a .22 rifle ALL the time wherever I walked to the foothills. All through the neighborhoods in the 70's not an eyebrow was raised if a person saw a young boy carrying a rifle arounf the block. Today, good lord, you would have 15 police officers within minutes responding to the scene if a kid was even carrying around a BB gun.Comment
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Bob, you are perhaps right on the money and I woould not try and argue differently. I do however think that ANY organization requires money to keep its doors open. If only a fraction of that whopping 25.00 a year goes to fighting bad legislation, then I am content. I would rather have that, then NO organization to at least attempt to protect the Second Amendment.Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post
As a side bar to this I am a member of the IAFF. I LOATHE the organization, yet as a member of the Fire dept I pay dues to them monthly and sadly your description of the NRA is EXACTLY what the IAFF is and does.Comment
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