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**Henri S** · 02-21-2009, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by roughshooter View Post

Hi Henri,

Are you actually allowed to shoot these guns in Malta or are you just allowed to own them live ?

Regards Craig.

So far we can only own them, unless you put them on your target shooter licence. There is no limit to the number you can own of pre 1946 under collector licence , but target shooter ( which includes modern semi autos) limits us to only 10.

Now if you are a re-enactor you can shoot any of your collectables with blanks. Hopefully soon we will be able to shoot our collectibles for historical or scientific research purposes.

**Pistooli** · 02-21-2009, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Henri S View Post

So far we can only own them, unless you put them on your target shooter licence. There is no limit to the number you can own of pre 1946 under collector licence , but target shooter ( which includes modern semi autos) limits us to only 10.

How is that better than Canada ?

Here you can have as many as you want including modern semi autos, and if you feel like it you can even build your own.

**Dregg** · 02-22-2009, 12:13 PM

This line really got me "The Government is aware that many deactivated guns are owned by genuine and responsible collectors, and does not want new legislation to impact on these people unfairly." WHAT A CROCK OF B.S. !!!

They out right take away the rights of the English people to legally own firearms, now they want to go after "deactivated guns"? That Government is twisted.

**ChrisCook** · 02-22-2009, 02:26 PM

UK Ban

I don't want to take this thread too far off base..... I just want to encourage all my fellow American gunowners to watch what is happening to our friends over in the UK and abroad. There are many movements afoot here in the States to undermine our gun rights at both the federal and state levels.

We all need to stand united and fight Government oppression of our 2nd ammendment rights so we won't be having this argument over our live weapons or "deacts" here in the US one day. The numbers of your congressmen and senators are easily googled, make sure you contact them, and don't forget to use the editorial pages in your local papers to make sensible arguments for the preservation of our rights. Chris....

**psum240b** · 02-24-2009, 03:20 AM

Hi all,
I went to my drill this weekend and was talking to a couple of my buddies who are cops and they told me that in sacramento they are trying this new program that makes you have a background check to clear you to buy ammuntion, I couldn't believe it. They were like yeah thats obviously gonna keep crime on the streets down.

Yeah its getting scary what the government is doing

**Henri S** · 02-24-2009, 03:36 AM

I've heard that the US Government is pushing forward an Ammunition Accountability Legislation

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture, providing a data base of all Ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.

Any privately held un-coded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more! If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your guns!

This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

**Dennis S** · 02-25-2009, 01:14 AM

Too lttle too Late.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqh-A6rb5as

**Mat Holloway** · 02-25-2009, 02:21 PM

That march was more to do with the banning of hunting with dogs.

**phild** · 02-25-2009, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Henri S View Post

I've heard that the US Government is pushing forward an Ammunition Accountability Legislation

The bill that is being pushed in 18 states requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacture, providing a data base of all Ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded.

Any privately held un-coded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. (Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more! If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your guns!

This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Washington.

Nut case legislation is proposed and voted on every day (somewhere) in this country and this is no exception. That is not to say that it may not pass in some states as some of it sometimes does. This bill as written can not be enforced...that would be IMPOSSIBLE. IT would also create around 50 million crimminals in this coutry as soon as the destroy deadline passes as there is no way that all ammo can be found in 50 million attics, basements and old footlockers by old widows...etc... Do you get my drift?

I will say that many of the legislators in Alabama and Mississippi who support such a bill will loose their seats in the next election.

**Bob Hritz** · 02-25-2009, 04:05 PM

Originally posted by phild View Post

Nut case legislation is proposed and voted on every day (somewhere) in this country and this is no exception. That is not to say that it may not pass in some states as some of it sometimes does. This bill as written can not be enforced...that would be IMPOSSIBLE. IT would also create around 50 million crimminals in this coutry as soon as the destroy deadline passes as there is no way that all ammo can be found in 50 million attics, basements and old footlockers by old widows...etc... Do you get my drift?

I will say that many of the legislators in Alabama and Mississippi who support such a bill will loose their seats in the next election.

All the government has to do is ban the sale and possession of centerfire primers. Reloading will be a thing of the past. The ammunition legislation is the easiest to get passed and without ammunition, gun collecting is far less 'dangerous' in the minds of those ba$tards we keep electing.

After a successful ban on ammunation, the guns can be called for deactivation so that a 'criminal' who owns ammunition, cannot use the weapon.

If you think I am crazy, just look up pending legislation. Most of it gets defeated, but a few laws are attached to huge bills and get through without discussion or debate.

Turn on the television and see the enemy every day! They congregate in Washington D.C and in your state capitols.

Bob Hritz

**colin davie** · 02-25-2009, 04:49 PM

Well there is a lot of history studied on this site, so here is a historical fact (IMO).

The UK is... in the grand scheme of things... but a tiny little nothing, a size of island that should have achieved nothing but a prayer for survival from larger nations that have bigger lakes and sheep farms than the size of the UK.

Instead it conquered other nations a gazillion times it's own size with a gazzilion times more population....

WE had guns and cannons(complete with ammo!) THEY hade rocks and knives.

I think our governments should ponder that piece of history the next time it looks at it's defence policy and related matters.

They should also study, in both the past and present, the considerable cost and grief local people inflict on an invading forces via acts of resistance.

Throwing tomatoes ain't gonna cut it.
C

**colin davie** · 02-25-2009, 05:13 PM

Another thing... in times of strife there is no time to train new recruits.. it's been seen time and again... we always benifited from that because we had a pool of civilians with a lifetime of hunting and handling guns and knives... giving previous experience of not only handling a weapon, but hunting skills - tracking, keeping low, and last but not least the stomach to shoot a living thing.

Now what are we hoping to breed?... a nation of people who have never seen a gun?, a nation of people who have never seen even a fake gun?

If our potential enemies were making the same laws, I would be happier, but the opposite is true.

C

**phild** · 02-25-2009, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by Bob Hritz View Post

All the government has to do is ban the sale and possession of centerfire primers. Reloading will be a thing of the past. The ammunition legislation is the easiest to get passed and without ammunition, gun collecting is far less 'dangerous' in the minds of those ba$tards we keep electing.

After a successful ban on ammunation, the guns can be called for deactivation so that a 'criminal' who owns ammunition, cannot use the weapon.

If you think I am crazy, just look up pending legislation. Most of it gets defeated, but a few laws are attached to huge bills and get through without discussion or debate.

Turn on the television and see the enemy every day! They congregate in Washington D.C and in your state capitols.

Bob Hritz

Bob,

The government has never SUCCESSFULLY banned anything. That is the problem, passing laws that are not needed and are impossible to fairly and uniformly enforce. IF it becomes a "crime" to posess any ammo that is not "coded", even if 10 years is allowed as a phase in time, there will be millions of backbone citizens who will be potential crimminals because they don't even know that they have it!

Primers and complete ammunition will be brought into the country by the ton....and a whole new layer of corruption at every level of LEA and governemnt will be created...just like always...maybe that is why they want to do it?

**Tim G** · 02-26-2009, 05:36 PM

Re guns and ammo

Just to play devils advocate here.........in the UK which admittedly has somewhat smaller borders than most ( i should imagine they are just as porous as the larger ones) so it is inevitable that a lot of gear comes in
that way. They did ,and have had for a good while now pretty harsh controls
on ammunition and its componant parts. The control of the ammo has been having an effect as can be seen by the illicit manufacture of home grown workshop ammo and the conversion of brocock and other air weapons. The prices for factory ammo are way high on the illicit market but only for the small fry, the serious guys will have whatever they need because they would just ship it in with the drugs.

The brit government can be a bunch of stupid politicians, but don't be bluffed by the bollocks in the press. The little beavers in the background are more than aware of where its comming from, what routes , which ports it is comming thro. Do you honestly think they are going to take the action that they could ?

What do you think the reaction would be and how long do you think they would be in power if they actually made Joe public do what they should be doing and wait at the ports while the cars and vans are being emptied and searched. Can't slow those folks down from nipping over the channel and buying thier cheap beer etc. Look how fast folks were bitching about having to wait at airports because of security. How embarrased would you be knowing that your unregulated security firms running dock security are in the pay and controlled by shall we say ......less than honest folks?

Most of the folks sadly are more interested in a quiet life doing what they want and dont give a crap about what is happening else where as long as its not on thier patch . Dole money and lots of public services to look after the 15 year old mums thats what we need because that is what the vast majority want and thats how we stay in power not by doing what is right. Thier is more backbone in a butchers shop than the houses of parliament.

**jiipee76** · 02-27-2009, 06:50 AM

Originally posted by Pistooli View Post

How is that better than Canada ?

Here you can have as many as you want including modern semi autos, and if you feel like it you can even build your own.

Looks like Suomi M31 submachine gun to me.Who wants Saskatchewan written one,when there should read TIKKAKOSKI,the one and only original maker.

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