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Well, to turn it upside-down; Has anyone got any information that the "x" should signify a RC ? I am no expert on these matters, but I have never heard or seen anything that confirms this theory.
"Russian capture" was a designation given to the huge lot of Russian captured and refurbished Mauser K98k's. These mainly ended up in the USA, and they are easily recognized by the forced-matched parts that all have gotten electro-penciled serial-numbered parts. In addition they have a number pressed into the side of the buttstock and have been reblued. (I must admit I do not know if they have received a "X" marking).
There are also guns on the market from Ukraina, mainly P.38's and MG34's. At least the MG34's are electropencil force-matched. I have never heard of any MP44's from any of the former Soviet states being exported, only the Yugo and DDR ones.
The "X" is actually not uncommonly used to signify a refurbished gun, or a gun with alterations in the military supply systems of the world (even in Norway!)
Since none of the MP44's show signs of electropencil force-matching (they have crossed out or removed serial numbers with restamps instead!) I assume this was done by non-Russian arsenals, like the Cz, Yugo or DDR.
If indeed there are MP44's in the arsenals of Ukraina, Russia or Belorussia they still seems to be well locked up!
Indeed a interesting subject. Anyone else have any factual information or thoughts please share!Comment
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Interesting information TB! I have both a MP44 and a MP41 that passed through the same system, but they have both got the BNP stamp as well, and I would have suspected to find the same on both the barrel and receiver if this gun indeed was resold for use in the UK? The one on the barrel could of course have been removed with the de-act......Originally posted by Time Bandit View PostComment
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Your gun has a typical UK deact, as they are very "effective". The whole barrel has been sliced open at the full length.
The chamber area has been drilled with a hole through the receiver, a pin inserted and the hole welded shut. After that the area has been grinded down. The red circle indicates the pin. After that it appears that the deact people have just painted over the job, instead of rebluing it. The arrowhead points on the edge of the area with paint remains. Most of the area within the blue triangle appears to be painted black.Comment
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Bergflak, Refurbishment markings on Russian guns is a square inersected with a diagional line.
You see this on all the "new " looking M95s and ppsh guns on the market. But I cant find reference to when this marking was put into service so possiably its a later innovation.
All the R/C k98s I have handled have had the " X " as do my MG34s as for P38s and other guns I cant say as I have not handled any.
I have heard the " x " refered to as the R/C stamp from a number of people but have not seen factual evidence rather it appears to be popular opinion.
I like to think this theory must have some truth to it and Im happy to beleive this is indeed a R/C marking but as i said in a previous post if it can be disproved I would love to see what the mystery marking realy is
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Is there a consistent way to how these RC "X"-markings appear?Comment
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do you think it is worthy to take away the paint and reblue the area? or it is better leave as it is? there are some blue sprars in cold, but I do not know if they are efective.Originally posted by Bergflak View PostComment
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this is not the case of course, but I red, i don remember where, that the MP44 produced after october 1944 some of them were painted in bleck from the factory or even were left with the steel "nacked", that must make very vivible the weapon in the night, I guess. These weapons are very scarce and valuable.Originally posted by macumazan View PostComment
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[QUOTE=macumazan;3002871]this is not the case of course, but I red, I don't remember where, that the MP44 produced after october 1944 some of them were painted in black from the factory or even were left with the steel "nacked", that must make them very visible in the night, I guess. These weapons are very scarce and valuable.
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Frankly, I would say you have nothing to loose. The spraypaint is of 1994 vintage! And it is spread over a wider area than needed.
I guess some "cold blue" would make it look a a lot better, and if it doesn't work just respray it black on a smaller area!Comment
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I haven't heard about any painted ones, but they did come in grey phospate finnish, and towards the end some of the manufacturers ran out of grey dye and delivered parts in clear phospate. Most often these weapons has a "mixed" appearence.Originally posted by macumazan View PostI red, I don't remember where, that the MP44 produced after october 1944 some of them were painted in black from the factory or even were left with the steel "nacked", that must make them very visible in the night, I guess. These weapons are very scarce and valuable.
Finding ANY Mp44 in original finnish in Europe is hard enough, and the mixed phospate ones are rarely found within these.Comment
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Originally posted by Bergflak View Post
Yes . My K98s have the stamping on the receiver ring and I had thirty and they were all marked with the X.
I have also heard this is the Russian acceptance or serviceability marking and that its a crude representation of crossed rifles being thicker one end and tapering off at the top. Which is what the markings appear to do.
Mg34s are both stamped in the reigon of manufacturers code.
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